Tom Cruise the Scientologist

[glock35ipsc]

[Shorty]

Originally Posted by Mr3Wiggle

Until science explains it, we have religion.

There's some fine logic for you!

There is something that is yet to be explained - for example, something that needs a microscope better than the most powerful electron microscope availbale.

So instead of saying we can't understand that yet because we can't see it, we "explain" it with nonsense that a four year old with average intelligence would dismiss as garbage.

Two thousand years ago people didn't have access to the knowledge we now have, yet many choose to remain ignorant and illogical. Pretty scary.

Also - just curious - why should we worry that nothing happens when we die? The ultimate conceit is the notion that we go on living. And that is despite any evidence in human history to suggest otherwise. One wonders.

[Snakey]

There's nothing like a discussion about religion or penis size to bring out the boxing gloves but this thread was started to pay out everybodys favourite froot loop Tom (Thumb) Cruise.Chill pills all round and let's get back to the bagging. How small is the Dweeb that runs Tom and the "Church",he makes Minime look good.Hold on..... a big black Suburban just pulled up outside.

[Mr3Wiggle]

Originally Posted by Shorty

There's some fine logic for you!

There is something that is yet to be explained - for example, something that needs a microscope better than the most powerful electron microscope availbale.

So instead of saying we can't understand that yet because we can't see it, we "explain" it with nonsense that a four year old with average intelligence would dismiss as garbage.

Two thousand years ago people didn't have access to the knowledge we now have, yet many choose to remain ignorant and illogical. Pretty scary.

Also - just curious - why should we worry that nothing happens when we die? The ultimate conceit is the notion that we go on living. And that is despite any evidence in human history to suggest otherwise. One wonders.

Believing in something happens after death gives the old and sick comfort.  I don't see anything wrong with that.

[Domenic]

Whew! Finally I can post again. I have nothing more to say pretty much. But I posted.

[misty_mountainhop]

Originally Posted by Harmonious

Depends on who is funding their research grant, doesn't it?

Do I have to answer this? I was of course assuming that the research would be decent, peer-reviewed, published research where the authors declare their competing interests. Proper scientific research.

Interestingly, unlike anything else in the world, religions are typically the only things I can think of (well, OK, maybe the health food lobby are cut from the same cloth) which are required to present no testable evidence. Any other walk of life trying to pass something off using the same approach would be laughed at.

Originally Posted by Mr3Wiggle

Until science explains it, we have religion.  And is it so bad that the old and sick have something to believe in, instead of just thinking when they die nothing happens?

The 'comfort' thing is just about reasonable I suppose. However, when they (and I) die, nothing happens except we'll either rot or we'll contribute to global warming.

[Valleygolfer]

Originally Posted by Domenic

Whew! Finally I can post again. I have nothing more to say pretty much. But I posted.

I am not sure why you bothered. You told us(me) to @#@# off and said you are done. You are as fickle as religion. Why are you in the penalty box?

[dak4n6]

His abrasive and confrontational Christian manner?

[The Tin Man]

Originally Posted by dak4n6

His abrasive and confrontational Christian manner?

It's not Christian it's Crosstian. As in people who nail others to crosses.  (A Christian set me straight between the two species. One reads the Bible the other beats people with it.)

[Mr3Wiggle]

Originally Posted by misty_mountainhop

Do I have to answer this? I was of course assuming that the research would be decent, peer-reviewed, published research where the authors declare their competing interests. Proper scientific research.

Interestingly, unlike anything else in the world, religions are typically the only things I can think of (well, OK, maybe the health food lobby are cut from the same cloth) which are required to present no testable evidence. Any other walk of life trying to pass something off using the same approach would be laughed at.

The 'comfort' thing is just about reasonable I suppose. However, when they (and I) die, nothing happens except we'll either rot or we'll contribute to global warming.

Who knows.  I'd like to think there is a heaven.

[Domenic]

I'd like to think you're right!

[StrikeOne]

Conversations like this always crack me up. I had a similar discussion with a guy in college who claimed that he was a born again christian, while he was drunk of his ass and trying to get into the pants of everything wearing a skirt in the bar. He informed me that as long as I accept the fact that Jesus died for my sins, I'm in. So I guess I can do whatever I want till I'm on my death bed, then just accept it. Seriously though. I'm married to a pagan, and am pretty much an atheist myself. I've yet to see either a pagan or an atheist show up at my door pushing their beliefs on me. Can't say the same for most others. People who are super religious are kind of like vegans...you don't have to ask them what they are...they'll tell you :-P

[Shorty]

Originally Posted by StrikeOne

People who are super religious are kind of like vegans...you don't have to ask them what they are...they'll tell you

And they get very angry when you quiz them about their beliefs beyond the point where you'd feel guilty about quizzing a 5 year old about Santa or the Easter Bunny.

Ourfriends like Domenic need to spend a few minutes watching some Youtube videos of the late Christopher Hitchens.

[colin007]

"This body holding me Reminds me of my own mortality, Embrace this moment, Remember, We are eternal, All this pain is an illusion..."

[Mr3Wiggle]

Originally Posted by Shorty

And they get very angry when you quiz them about their beliefs beyond the point where you'd feel guilty about quizzing a 5 year old about Santa or the Easter Bunny.

Ourfriends like Domenic need to spend a few minutes watching some Youtube videos of the late Christopher Hitchens.

Religion has definitely been used to keep order.  To me the main purpose/benefit of religion is hope.

And just so you know, you guys are just as wrong as Domenic is right now.

[Valleygolfer]

Originally Posted by Mr3Wiggle

Religion has definitely been used to keep order.  To me the main purpose/benefit of religion is hope.

And just so you know, you guys are just as wrong as Domenic is right now.

Your opinion for this is?

[Mr3Wiggle]

Originally Posted by Valleygolfer

Your opinion for this is?

He's blasting you guys and you're blasting him right back.  All over stuff none of you can prove.

[Valleygolfer]

Originally Posted by Mr3Wiggle

He's blasting you guys and you're blasting him right back.  All over stuff none of you can prove.

I didn't think I was blasting, merely pointing out inconsistencies in religion. Much like being the devils advocate...... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!