Soooooooo........I broke 80 with an asterisk....

[MEfree]

Originally Posted by Datsyuk

The course in question does not have separate ratings and slopes for the front and back Most players there don't enter 9-hole rounds and the club is okay with it. When they start holding tournaments in 9-hole segments separated by several days, or even years with countless rounds sandwiched in between, then I'll call it my potential, but for now I'll just disagree and leave it at that since this is not my thread.

They may not have a separate slope/rating on the score card, but I would guess that the GHIN computer has separate ratings and slopes for each 9.

With that said, I am not sure why they insist on pairing 9s together.  In the past, I played 9 more often than 18, so they got pair up quickly, but recently have played mostly 18 hole rounds.  I believe that I still have an odd 9 from something like a month ago waiting to be paired up.  With most of the courses around here closed, I may not play another 9 hole round until the middle of 2013.  I don`t think it would be much harder to come up with a system that just counts each 9 hole round half of an 18 hole round and posts them all right away instead of waiting for another 9 to match it with.

[Datsyuk]

Originally Posted by MEfree

They may not have a separate slope/rating on the score card, but I would guess that the GHIN computer has separate ratings and slopes for each 9.

With that said, I am not sure why they insist on pairing 9s together.  In the past, I played 9 more often than 18, so they got pair up quickly, but recently have played mostly 18 hole rounds.  I believe that I still have an odd 9 from something like a month ago waiting to be paired up.  With most of the courses around here closed, I may not play another 9 hole round until the middle of 2013.  I don`t think it would be much harder to come up with a system that just counts each 9 hole round half of an 18 hole round and posts them all right away instead of waiting for another 9 to match it with.

I don't know what GHIN is but no, they don't. Two 9's in any combination are considered the same as an 18 hole round. It doesn't matter either way since the season is essentially over now, but for next year I'm considering joining a new course or following everyone else's lead and not entering 9 holes. It's complicated.

[tristanhilton85]

Originally Posted by Datsyuk

I don't know what GHIN is but no, they don't. Two 9's in any combination are considered the same as an 18 hole round. It doesn't matter either way since the season is essentially over now, but for next year I'm considering joining a new course or following everyone else's lead and not entering 9 holes. It's complicated.

Just curious, what course is this and where is it?

[Datsyuk]

Originally Posted by tristanhilton85

Just curious, what course is this and where is it?

Okay sure, the course where I've essentially accused 3/4 of the members with otherwised good standing of being sandbaggers and ne'erdowells is . . . . Get serious.

[tristanhilton85]

Originally Posted by Datsyuk

Okay sure, the course where I've essentially accused 3/4 of the members with otherwised good standing of being sandbaggers and ne'erdowells is . . . . Get serious.

No need to get all upset... I asked a simple question to see if I could find the rating since you insist that it doesn't have one. It seems weird to me that you don't want to give the name but whatever.

Now... no more about this as I don't want to get off topic any further.

[Chas]

Well played but don't light that cigar yet. You can suck on it unlit though. When you said "asterisk" I thought you were going to confess to EPO or steroids or blood doping or something.

[Fourputt]

Originally Posted by Valleygolfer

So I now have a 79 via CI on my GHIN, and I didn't do it on purpose. I Shot a 39 today (with a 7 on the scorecard) and after I added it I did not realize it was going paired with a 40 I shot a week ago. I know I feel good about this but not 79 on 18 holes good. This score is not out of my realm obviously but there has not been a full round like this on the books. Opinion or answer the poll, should I be broke 80 happy or happy I am shooting in the high thirties on 9 holes happy?

Be happy!  You played a couple of excellent 9 hole rounds.  Golf is fun that way, and that's a good thing.

However.....

... it still isn't breaking 80.  That simply has to happen in a full round of 18 holes to qualify.

[Valleygolfer]

I think GHIN accounts for CI rounds and they do not count as much as the 18. I may be wrong though. I will say this will probably affect my cap and I might have to step it up a bit to play to it. I won't tell anyone I am a "70's" golfer yet.

[Dave2512]

I wish, I suffer from the same thing all the time. Not uncommon to follow up a 38 with a 39 or 40 later in the week because I play a lot of 9 hole golf. Which is a big reason I've been so frustrated this summer. Can't seem to put it together when I am out for 18. Though worse is the more often than not 45+ after a sub 40 9 hole score.

[BuckeyeNut]

When you do finally break 80 for the first time, be sure to post the CR and Slope of the course.............so it can be determined if an asterisk is still required.  LOL

HEhe...I couldn't resist.

[MEfree]

Originally Posted by Valleygolfer

I think GHIN accounts for CI rounds and they do not count as much as the 18. I may be wrong though. I will say this will probably affect my cap and I might have to step it up a bit to play to it. I won't tell anyone I am a "70's" golfer yet.

I think "C" stands for "combined" and "I" stands for "internet"  so "CI" means two 9 hole scores that were posted via the internet.  Not sure what coding they use if one 9 was posted at the course's computer and another online.

In any case, I am pretty sure that GHIN counts all 18 hole rounds equally (or at least your 10 best out of the last 20) regardless of whether they were two 9 that were combined for a single 18 hole score or how they were posted.

Not sure what you are currently playing off of, but a good round like this would have the tendency to move your handicap down a bit, but probably no more than 1 shot unless you had some other good scores recently to go along with it.

[BuckeyeNut]

yes...combined scores count the same for HC purposes.  If you normally play 18, the first nine may be from April, and the 2nd could be from October before they are combined and count towards your HC. When 2 nines are combined for an 18 hole score, that score is noted with a "C".

[Valleygolfer]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNut

yes...combined scores count the same for HC purposes.  If you normally play 18, the first nine may be from April, and the 2nd could be from October before they are combined and count towards your HC. When 2 nines are combined for an 18 hole score, that score is noted with a "C".

Originally Posted by Dave2512

I wish, I suffer from the same thing all the time. Not uncommon to follow up a 38 with a 39 or 40 later in the week because I play a lot of 9 hole golf. Which is a big reason I've been so frustrated this summer. Can't seem to put it together when I am out for 18. Though worse is the more often than not 45+ after a sub 40 9 hole score.

I play the same game, which is why I do not feel that this an achievement of actually shooting sub 80 round. I shot 39 monday on the front nine and did not play poorly the back nine but the greens and hole placements were atrocious and I shot a 48.... horrible. I average maybe 1 three putt per round but had 4 of them on the back nine alone. My scoring mostly involves driver accuracy. The first few holes driving well, middle holes horrible, lots of scrambling and the last two are fine. Lately I have driven the ball better so my scores are better.

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNut

yes...combined scores count the same for HC purposes.  If you normally play 18, the first nine may be from April, and the 2nd could be from October before they are combined and count towards your HC. When 2 nines are combined for an 18 hole score, that score is noted with a "C".

Originally Posted by MEfree

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Originally Posted by Valleygolfer

I think GHIN accounts for CI rounds and they do not count as much as the 18. I may be wrong though. I will say this will probably affect my cap and I might have to step it up a bit to play to it. I won't tell anyone I am a "70's" golfer yet.

I think "C" stands for "combined" and "I" stands for "internet"  so "CI" means two 9 hole scores that were posted via the internet.  Not sure what coding they use if one 9 was posted at the course's computer and another online.

In any case, I am pretty sure that GHIN counts all 18 hole rounds equally (or at least your 10 best out of the last 20) regardless of whether they were two 9 that were combined for a single 18 hole score or how they were posted.

Not sure what you are currently playing off of, but a good round like this would have the tendency to move your handicap down a bit, but probably no more than 1 shot unless you had some other good scores recently to go along with it.

I figured every one knew what the "C" and the "I" meant, although I really didn't need to add the "I" to what I was taking about. But the fact that it is noted made me think that maybe it was viewed differently as far as difficulty. I guess I am wrong about that.

[bplewis24]

Originally Posted by Datsyuk

The same guys who say it doesn't count as a round will call you a sandbagger for not entering them.

It counts against his index, so there would be no need to call him a sandbagger.  It's a simple distinction:

Fact: it does count for his index

Opinion: it does not count for his "I broke 80" milestone.

I typically would not be on the side of "golf purists", but on this one I'd say that you do have to play 18 holes to reach some specific scoring milestone.  As mentally taxing as golf is, and as many people choke down the stretch, it becomes clear that there is a mental/fatigue hurdle to overcome in reaching a scoring milestone.  I give him props for putting together 2 good 9-hole scores, and they are both legitimate in their own right.  However, I'm betting that he didn't feel the jitters while teeing off on that 8th and 9th hole of his 2nd 9 the way he would have if he was teeing off on the 17th and 18th holes of a full round.

Originally Posted by Datsyuk

I don't know what GHIN is but no, they don't.

Yeah, right.

[zipazoid]

So I have to ask this, and it's related to my earlier post.

When you were playing that second nine, did it cross your mind, as you were on the last couple of holes 'Ya know, if I shoot 39 & if I couple that with the 40 I shot last week, that's a combined 79.'

Not that it still would have legitimatized it, but at least then I could give you credit for enduring - and overcoming - what the mind does to you in trying to shoot a score.

Yeah I know that's not the way to think in order to shoot a low score (God don't I know that), but it's simply natural if you're shooting a good round & explains why it's so damn hard - the enemy isn't the course anymore...it's you . But if that thought didn't enter your mind - about combining the two nines to break 80 - then you just didn't enjoy what everyone who's ever legitimately broken 80 has had to go through.

I'm not trying to be a dick. Congrats on back-to-back good nines. But that's an entirely different dynamic than trying to bring in an 18-hole score under 80 when one more bogey means you won't.

[Golfingdad]

Originally Posted by MEfree

With that said, I am not sure why they insist on pairing 9s together.  In the past, I played 9 more often than 18, so they got pair up quickly, but recently have played mostly 18 hole rounds.  I believe that I still have an odd 9 from something like a month ago waiting to be paired up.  With most of the courses around here closed, I may not play another 9 hole round until the middle of 2013.  I don`t think it would be much harder to come up with a system that just counts each 9 hole round half of an 18 hole round and posts them all right away instead of waiting for another 9 to match it with.

I agree.  SInce we all seem to be basically on the same page here that two separate nines does not equal the equivalent 18, there should be no need to pair them up for HDCP purposes  Couldn't they just multiply the differential by 2 to get it in line with the 18 hole diffs?

[Fourputt]

I look at it like this.  A couple of years ago I shot 33 (par 36) on the front nine.  The next day I shot 37 on the front nine.  If I had only played 9 each day that would have been a 2 under par 70.  In the first round I actually ended up with a 76, which is still outstanding for me.  The second round I shot 45 on the back for an 82 total.  This is why I don't see consecutive nines as being equivalent to a full 18.  It is just much more difficult to hold it together for a full 18.  I've done the opposite too, shot a very weak front nine, then gone lights out on the back.  I rarely play only 9 because I always feel like I left something unfinished.

[MEfree]

Originally Posted by Golfingdad

I agree.  SInce we all seem to be basically on the same page here that two separate nines does not equal the equivalent 18, there should be no need to pair them up for HDCP purposes  Couldn't they just multiply the differential by 2 to get it in line with the 18 hole diffs?

Yes, but they would have to only count that half as much as a real 18 hole round unless you wanted a 9 hole score to be as important as an 18 hole score.