• Announcements

    • iacas

      Introducing TST "Clubs!"   08/28/2017

      No, we're not getting into the equipment business, but we do have "clubs" here on TST now. Groups. Check them out here:
Sign in to follow this  
Bullitt5339

Sadistic pin placements

Recommended Posts

Bullitt5339    29

Playing my home course today here in NC on a pretty windy day and ran across something I've never had happen to me before on any course.  Whoever was responsible for the pin placements for today must have been a sadistic bastard.  With some pretty stiff winds, there were pin placements that were impossible.

On hole #11, the cup was on a downslope towards the front of the green.  I had a huge breaking 3' putt, and just barely tapped it.  Lipped it out, and the ball rolled 12', breaking hard left (as expected) and proceeded to roll 4' off the green because it was severely sloped towards the front of the green.  Combine the winds with the dryness of the greens, and it was like putting on glass.

On hole #13, I missed the green on my approach, but hit a great chip that almost stopped a foot from the hole.  I say almost, because it then proceeded to roll back 90* and ended up around 12' off the green.  I ended up with double bogey when it should have been an easy par.  I shouldn't feel too bad though, I had the best score on the hole in the group and one guy actually carded a 13.

On hole #15, the cup was positioned on the side of a ridge, which was impossible to get close to.  You either hit the cup, or were 8ft away.  I ended up with the 2nd option.

On hole #17, the cup was again cut into the side of a ridge, which made it hit or die.  I got lucky to 3 putt and save a bogey.  Some weren't that lucky.

I complained to the Pro after the round, and he asked me specifically where the cup was on hole 13, since it's the most severely banked green towards the front.  I told him the pin was in the front, and what had happened, and he didn't seem very happy at the person who was supposed to cut the new pins.  He specifically told me that at this time of year, especially with the wind, there was no way that pin should be there.  I was happy that he acknowledged that the course wasn't setup very well for the conditions and seemed eager to get it fixed.

I ended up shooting 100.......  And felt lucky to get that out of today.  The scores from my group (most typically shoot mid-80's to very low 90's) were 2 100's, a 101 and a 109.  Just a tough day on the course.  On a good note, I finally found my driver swing that's been AWOL all summer.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sign up (or log in) today! It's free (and you won't see this ad anymore)!

Sign up (or log in) today! It's free (and you won't see this ad anymore)!

Valleygolfer    311
I had this happen to me once and it was brutal. Holes were on the peaks of greens and mid way up the steepest grades. Had a hell of a first nine and the hole placement killed the back nine.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

caniac6    105

Hey Bullitt, where do you play? I used to be the assistant superintendent at Kings Grant in Fayetteville in the early to mid 90's. When I used to set the holes, I would try to make 6 easy,6 medium,and 6 tough hole placements. I would NEVER put a hole on a slope or near the bottom or top of a slope. The tough hole placements were usually tucked behind a bunker, or as close to an edge as was fair. I was always thinking about pace of play when I placed the holes. If I had to use a questionable hole placement, I would do it during the week when play wasn't as heavy. I've seen a lot of bad hole placements at other courses, and a lot of times they are placed by guys that don't play. Sometimes guys just don't care that the players have fun.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Bullitt5339    29

I'm a member at Scothurst in Lumber Bridge and like the course.  It's without a doubt the best value from a membership in this area since they redid all the greens about 6 years ago with Tiff Bermuda and they're constantly working on making the course better.

I've never seen ridiculous pin placements like this out there before, and after the conversation I had with the Pro, I don't think I will again.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Tom Shanks    3

I'm a member at a course that is notorious for this.  Most of the greens are huge, which should usually be nice to play, but when the pin is 6 feet off the left fringe and you miss right you're looking at an 80 foot putt.  The slopes of the greens are also pretty drastic.  I think the pin setter must have a pretty good sense of humor.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

MSchott    38

I've seen some pretty stupid pin placements over the years on muni's and think it's due to greenskeeper's that don't know what they are doing. A pin should never be on a slope. If you can drop a ball next to a hole and it rolls away, it's a bad pin position.

I've seen pins where from below the hole you putt to the cup and the ball rolls back towards you. That's a mistake made by the greenskeeper.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

GaijinGolfer    84

Thats what you might call a, "sucker pin".  When they are like that, you need to simply go for the center of the green and trust your putter.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Bullitt5339    29
Originally Posted by GaijinGolfer

Thats what you might call a, "sucker pin".  When they are like that, you need to simply go for the center of the green and trust your putter.


You can't go for the center, because then you're putting downhill towards a slope off the green,  So when you tap it, it ends up 12' off the green, chip up short, ball rolls back to your feet, chip up long and then miss the putt back and you're 12' off the green again.  We're not talking simple sucker pins, I know how to play those, we're talking about impossible to stop the ball near the hole.  Miss the hole at all, even if the speed is good and the ball is going to change direction and run off the green, picking up speed as it goes.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Divot Master    10

At the club I used to belong to, one day a year the course would be set with all the pins on humps, edges, and slopes, we would then play a 4-man scramble tournament, and have a good laugh at the absurdity of it all.  On a couple of the holes, you either made the 20 footer or the ball was right back at your feet.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

dak4n6    82

My home course has very fast greens that can host some pretty ridiculous hole locations. Whenever we find one in such a spot we figure the greenskeeper must have gotten in a fight with his wife.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Beachcomber    204
Originally Posted by Bullitt5339

You can't go for the center, because then you're putting downhill towards a slope off the green,  So when you tap it, it ends up 12' off the green, chip up short, ball rolls back to your feet, chip up long and then miss the putt back and you're 12' off the green again.  We're not talking simple sucker pins, I know how to play those, we're talking about impossible to stop the ball near the hole.  Miss the hole at all, even if the speed is good and the ball is going to change direction and run off the green, picking up speed as it goes.

Par 3, #15 at Rancho San Jauquin here in Irvine is exactly as you described when mowed daily... When they place the pin on the right side - front or middle pins cause the ball to roll off the green.  They had to stop mowing that green daily - to slow it down from the rest of the course - given the severity of the slope, as it wouldn't hold putts/shots.  Talk about frustrating... I've had rounds where I was even or one over... And walked off four or five over.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Wansteadimp    23
Final of a county comp, I three putt following hitting it in a hazard, including a 4 ft putt that runs 20 ft past & off the green. My 8 on a par 5 is good though as my opponent 5 stabs, including a 3 ft up hill putt that horseshoes out and runs 20 ft off the green. The pin position needed a windmill. Gave me my first lead of the day, won the next 3 and eventually won 3&1, completely changed the dynamic of the match.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

saevel25    1,076

That aint no sucker pin, those pins are in area's that are unfair. Sucker pins are ones that are sat behind bunkers in areas of the green were if you hit it straight at it, there's a better chance of ending up in a bunker or off the green than near the pin.

As for those pins, that should never happen. A ball should never run away from you on any putt. They might be fast, but shouldn't be unfair. True example is having a ball end up short of the pin, than rolling back down the hill, that should never happen. Unless you have a tiered green, were if you come up like 2 feet short it rolls back, that is ok. The reason is, close to the hole or past it is safe.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

teamroper60    24


This thread reminded me of a hole on one course I played this year.   The green sloped severely from back to front and the pin was about 10' off the front edge.   Naturally, I ended up above the hole and barely tapped the ball.   It went right over the hole and rolled past it onto the fringe.   From there, I hit what I thought was a perfect putt back up the hill to the cup.    It wasn't perfect.   It stopped literally within an inch of the cup and then rolled right back to me!    So, I tried it again, but this time I missed about an inch to the right and.........   you guessed it, it came right back down to the fringe.    I ended up putting twice more before I finally got the ball in the hole............    By the time I finally made the putt, I had gone from  disappointed to mad and finally to laughing so hard I almost couldn't make the stroke!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Zeph    182
I don't mind tough pin placements, but I do hate it when they put the cup on a slope. Not too bad if you are on the right side of the hole, but coming from the top of the slope is a nightmare. Having pins in the middle or back of the green all the time is no fun. Different pin placements means you have to think about how far you want to hit it. Not just find the distance with a rangefinder and try hitting it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Bullitt5339    29
Originally Posted by Zeph

I don't mind tough pin placements, but I do hate it when they put the cup on a slope. Not too bad if you are on the right side of the hole, but coming from the top of the slope is a nightmare.

Having pins in the middle or back of the green all the time is no fun. Different pin placements means you have to think about how far you want to hit it. Not just find the distance with a rangefinder and try hitting it.


Tough pin placements are fine with me, but when a pin is in a place where you can hit good shots but there's no possible way to stop the ball within a foot of pin without it rolling off the green isn't tough, it's idiotic.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

Sign in to follow this  



  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • 2017 TST Partners

    Talamore Golf Resort
    PING Golf
    FlightScope Mevo
    Mission Belt
    Snell Golf
    Frogger Golf
    PitchFix USA
  • Posts

    • Revealing thread, there are varying "definitions" of what's mental and what's physical. I would have called game planning, green reading and just practicing effectively mental, along with just maintaining composure/managing pressure/stress. What's the essential difference between someone who just mindlessly bashes ball after ball at the range vs someone who practices with purpose? "The way I look at it in golf is that the mental game is a mechanism for fulfilling physical potential. Physical potential being a function of natural ability and effort put in through practice, instruction, conditioning, etc. Physical potential won’t automatically be transferred to the golf course in the form of performance. That is where a strong mental game steps in and allows the body to perform the tasks it has already been trained to do. In other words, the mental game bridges physical potential and physical performance. When faced with consequence on the golf course, the physical motion the body already knows how to perform can be hindered by doubt, fear, and anxiety. Our mind and body know how to physically execute the shot, and the mental game is required to protect that ability by warding off the potential doubt, fear or anxiety."
    • Today I came across to this video and just wanted to share it with you guys Her swing looks great! 
    • Welcome! I myself just found this place recently and have enjoyed my time here a lot. What a great place to be for golfers!
    • I would say it's more physical than mental. Though the latter definitely is a part of it. I've seen many times golfers getting too much in their mind and playing horrible. Of course you still need to learn how to swing properly, just mental strength definitely isn't enough to play well. 
    • It's weird, I'm really starting to doubt my own perception of things. i think every golfer in my group can swing differently (and slightly more often worse) under pressure. Amongst the 16-20 of us (and i think it's relevant we all have collegiate athletic experience and all within 4 years of age), these type of things seem prevalent to me: - 2 footers for $100 don't drop as often as 2 footers for nothing.
      - hard-6 vs easy-5 skews more towards the hard-6 during pressure holes/rounds
      - there are both more birdies as well more bogey+'s and penalties on "big" days vs a weekend outing (and we play stroke play only)
      - and i actually believe all of us, "generally" score worse on "big" days (say looking over at least a year period).  Me for example, I generally play well on "big" days, but my worst rounds of the last 10 years I know for a fact also correlates to "big" rounds, even if it doesn't happen very often. And for certain guys, it consistently works out bad for them, and vice versa.
  • TST Blog Entries

  • Blog Entries

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. CoachB25
      CoachB25
      (60 years old)
    2. Fsgolfer
      Fsgolfer
      (61 years old)
    3. Zach
      Zach
      (27 years old)
  • Get Great Gear with Amazon