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2013 Masters Discussion Thread, Update with Tiger's Illegal Drop (Post #343)

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Originally Posted by boogielicious

The rule states that you determine the line where the ball last crossed the hazard and go back from there as far as you want.  Part B below.  It can be behind the point in A.  If the ball curves in flight, the entry point to the hazard could be left or right of the line from the original shot.

Have a look at the diagram Zeph posted earlier in the thread. If Tiger was proceeding under option b he would have been in the bushes at least 30 yards left of where he dropped. He was either proceeding under option a, or severely mistaken about his angles when proceeding under b and his only defence would be that he made an honest mistake but I can't see them allowing that given all the resources at his disposal to accurately identify the line he should be dropping on.


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Originally Posted by darkhunter139

If he was going to be DQ'd would it have happened already or is it still possible?

I thought maybe it would have happened by now in case they wanted to adjust the pairings. But since Bubba has probably already teed off, I guess that won't be happening. I suppose though the DQ remains a possibility up until the point Tiger begins his practice and warmup for the day -- they'd most certainly want to reach a decision before that.


Rick Martin Great Member

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If he was going to be DQ'd would it have happened already or is it still possible?


Augusta National is deciding now per GC.


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Now they're saying he will be assessed a 2 stroke penalty under the "high definition television" rule.

This wasn't a ball moving a quarter of an inch, caught on HD TV that the golfer wasn't aware of.

Wow......that's WRONG.

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Featured Group No. 1 Lineup: 10:25 a.m. N. Watney, P. Mickelson 12:45 p.m.* M. Kuchar, B. Haas 2:35 p.m.* M. Leishman, A. Cabrera Featured Group No. 2 Lineup: 10:35 a.m. S. Cink, D.A. Points 12:55 p.m.* S. Stricker, D. Johnson 2:45 p.m.* J. Day, F. Couples * Scheduled to follow the previous group’s completion of play.

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Steve sands saying 2 stroke penalty likely , not dq (due to new-ish rule regarding after the fact discoveries on hd tv) Doubt that. ... I'm wrong , now it's confirmed. Bad decision.
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Steve sands saying 2 stroke penalty likely , not dq Doubt that.

Yeah. Which rule are they supposed to apply for that reasoning?

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Rick Martin Great Member

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Originally Posted by Zeph

Featured Group No. 1 Lineup:

10:25 a.m. N. Watney, P. Mickelson

12:45 p.m.* M. Kuchar, B. Haas

2:35 p.m.* M. Leishman, A. Cabrera

Featured Group No. 2 Lineup:

10:35 a.m. S. Cink, D.A. Points

12:55 p.m.* S. Stricker, D. Johnson

2:45 p.m.* J. Day, F. Couples

* Scheduled to follow the previous group’s completion of play.


thanks for posting this..looks like Masters.com doesn't start airing until 11:00 a.m. on the range, then 11:45 Amen Corner then featured groups 12:30...I watched the featured groups all day yesterday (hooked my PC to the HDTV)........never did get around watching all of the CBS coverage. Probably will do likewise today.


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Just confirmed that they are using the "HDTV two shot penalty" to keep Tiger from DQ.  Looks like "fudge" to me.


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Never heard of the call in rule before. From 2011: Adam Stanley @adam_stanley USGA + R&A; amend call-in rule: players won't be DQ'd for signing incorrect scorecard if unaware of infraction - http://bloom.bg/eNAUMa #golf Where can we find this?

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Rick Martin Great Member

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Originally Posted by Golfingdad

Steve sands saying 2 stroke penalty likely , not dq (due to new-ish rule regarding after the fact discoveries on hd tv)

Doubt that. ... I'm wrong , now it's confirmed.

Bad decision.


seems like since he signed the scorecard, it's too late

edit: nevermind, read the "call-in" rule post above


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