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Originally Posted by Ernest Jones

You don't know jackshit ya stupid monkey!

For anyone that doesn't know Jack.


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Well as I stated in my post I take time with each ball, which includes all of the basic things like ball position, posture, head angle, delivery and power etc.. I hit each ball exactly the same everytime now I've gotten pretty good at it. My weak spot in my game is putting. I live in Florida and either the greens are super slow or super fast. It's the one factor other than crazy wind that I can't change. Apparently putting is a bit more advanced then hitting golf balls with drivers and irons.

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No, he's saying that 4 hours of banging balls ISN'T "quality practice."  It's just 4 hours of banging balls.  You have to be working on something to get anything out of it, otherwise you're more likely to be grooving bad habits, or simply just wasting your time.

Agreed... For one, golf isn't played with one club and ou very rarely use the same club twice in a row. Greg Norman said if you hit 1 bad shot followed by 9 good shots with a 9 iron, the one bad shot is the only one that would have counted on the course. Also, 200 balls a day? Unless you out there a long time, this is way too much... I hit like 12-30 a day in my yard, take my time with every shot, switch clubs, and shape shots differently. When I go to the range and buy a big bucket, my shots seem to get worse as the day progresses, I don't take my time as much and I think "I have to get trough all these balls..."


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Originally Posted by zynthesis

I hit each ball exactly the same everytime

That's not going to make you improve at all. Read that ^^^ sentence three times and think about it. You will never improve with that strategy.

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Okay I agree with that. I guess I posted in the wrong thread. I don't hit balls at the driving range to improve anymore. What I meant was I only use the driving range to make sure my muscle memory doesn't forget. I'm at a point where my balls go the same distance and I am dead accurate with my shots. I usually work on hooks when I'm at the range. However I spend most my time putting. I was just trying to add to the discussion of how many balls do you hit at the range. and until I can afford new clubs my coaches think I'm at my limit for my gear. Hopefully I can win some tourney money to buy something nice.

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Originally Posted by zynthesis

Hopefully I can win some tourney money to buy something nice.

:: Looks at posted handicap, rereads statement ::

Wait... What?


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Originally Posted by zynthesis

Okay I agree with that. I guess I posted in the wrong thread. I don't hit balls at the driving range to improve anymore. What I meant was I only use the driving range to make sure my muscle memory doesn't forget. I'm at a point where my balls go the same distance and I am dead accurate with my shots. I usually work on hooks when I'm at the range. However I spend most my time putting. I was just trying to add to the discussion of how many balls do you hit at the range. and until I can afford new clubs my coaches think I'm at my limit for my gear. Hopefully I can win some tourney money to buy something nice.

No offense meant by this, I have a couple of questions ...

1.  Why in tarnation would you not be trying to improve anymore?

2.  How, as an 8 handicap, could you possibly be "dead accurate" with your shots?

Are you satisfied with being an 8 handicap?  If you are, and that's OK, then I get it.  But I suspect that you are not, in which case, I don't understand why you would not want to continue to try and get better.

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I'd say I double putt 90% of the time. I am partially blind in my left eye. I do not make very good putting choices and ill end up going bogie in half the holes. Sometimes I have a good day and bogie only 6 holes. I miss about the same on my birdie shot chances during putting.

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:: Looks at posted handicap, rereads statement :: Wait... What?

This made me laugh, it's the first thing I did too. I was thinking "how good is this guy he doesn't even want to improve anymore?"


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Originally Posted by billatthebar

anyone else take a while at the range to get warmed up (pains muscles etc etc....) then hit good balls for a while, then tail off towards the end and start hitting fat,thin and all other flavors of terrible shot?  really bugs me but when i go home pissed off im busting to go back to the range again within an hour! how many balls do you hit in a typical range session??


My name is McDivot, and I am a RangeRat!

I take about 15 minutes to stretch and warm up before I think about touching club to ball. Go to putting green for a bit, then chip and pitch for about half an hour. By that time I am fairly loose and in synch.

Grab a small bucket (36 balls) and start with short or mid irons. I aim at specific targets at appropriate distances for each club. No more than a couple balls per club unless obvious faults rear up. Usually these are relaxed and fairly decent swings.

Move to longer irons , hybrids, and woods again with expectations as to direction and distance. By the time I have finished the first small bucket I am ready to go back and work the short game and green a bit more.

Grab another small bucket and back to the full swing. Play an imaginary round with specific targets... driver, fairway, mid iron, wedge. Driver, hybrid, wedge. Hybrid (long iron) wedge. Whatever your home course presents in a typical round. If I hook or slice the drive, the next shot is played from the rough (I try to select a spot on the edge of the range where I have this option). Shots that are short of expectation require selecting a longer club for the next. Try to shape a few.

Sometimes a flaw needs further diagnosis and correction, but I tend to try not to over think an occasional poorly executed but fundamentally decent shot.

If I get too carried away and start swinging at more than around 100 balls I invariably make the fault that precipitated this foolishness worse! Back away, pitch and putt a bit, come back tomorrow.

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Back to the range practice.

I usually hit 80 to 120 balls (3 trays) with my irons and driver on 1 practice session, usually working 9-iron, 7-iron and driver (sometimes Sw and Pw full swing)

For every ball, I completely re-do my set-up.

Living in a hot climate (Thailand), I've learned that I need to drink a lot and stop for a few minutes after each tray (40 balls).

If I don't, I get tired, start to loose focus and mishit every other ball.

After the range practice and a little break, I often practice chipping (20 yards, 50 to 100 balls), set-up for every ball.

Again a little break and finish with some putting: 6 feet, 9 feet, 12 feet, 15 feet, overall about 60 to 100 balls.

I'm not sure if this is a good way of practicing, but at the moment it seems to work for me.

In my job, I have either a full day free or no time at all, which makes it easier to take your time for a decent practice session.


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Okay I agree with that.

It so refreshing to hear someone say that instead of obstinately sticking to a flawed position despite the overwhelming logic to the contrary. Cheers :beer: to you Z for having the ability to step back from your position, hear what is beings said and re-evaluate. So many guys just get all pissed and defensive and dig in, defending the most ludicrous positions despite the facts being put before them. Those guys usually leave the forum in a huff, never to be heard from again. Glad to see you're not another one of those, even though it means I lost the over/under on you. ;-) We all try to help each other in this forum and sometimes it can sound like we're tearing each other down or attacking each other but really we're tearing down the misconceptions and bad information that pollutes the world of golfing instruction and improvement. Proper practice is a common topic around here and I (personally ;-)) have learned a ton about the proper way to practice and CHANGE my golf swing for the better. There's nothing wrong with hitting a lot of balls but it has to be with a purpose and sometimes that kind of focus is much easier to maintain with a smaller amount of balls. Better to hit 15 balls with purpose than to hit a 1000 balls at a flag 200 yards away. In practice it almost doesn't really matter where the ball goes, what matters is whether or not you're making the change you're working on in your motion. If you're not making changes in your motion you are not improving no matter how many balls you hit.

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Originally Posted by billatthebar

anyone else take a while at the range to get warmed up (pains muscles etc etc....) then hit good balls for a while, then tail off towards the end and start hitting fat,thin and all other flavors of terrible shot?  really bugs me but when i go home pissed off im busting to go back to the range again within an hour! how many balls do you hit in a typical range session??

It happened to me yesterday.  I've been working on a lower ball flight and had spent two hours hitting 80 balls in 95 degree weather.  The last 15 or so I was completely exhausted so I took the last 25 in the bucket and went to the pitching range, which is about 55 yards back to front with two holes to shoot towards.  After a few slow swings with the 56 degree I decided to hit a few different ball flights with the 49.5.  It helped me to cool down and get back the good swing thoughts that I had had early in the original time at the range.  I actually made two consecutive pitches from 50 out with exactly the ball flight that I'd been working on.  Time to get to the course on Tuesday (my next day off) to see what if I can put into play what I learned at the range.


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I hit until I feel I've worked out what I'm trying to work out then I'm done.  If I warming up for a round and hit a few solid 7 irons and my swing feels good I'll stop and wait for my buddies to hit as many as they want.  If I keep going the whole routine gets kind of mindless and you start hitting bad shot just because you have no real goal.


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