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Moriaaaarrrrrtyyyyyyy.

THAT'S where I saw him.  He was on Star Trek once.  And something about Sherlock Holmes I think.  Sherlock had a dog named Baskerville as well if I am remembering the same guy.


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Good grief. I wake up from my nap and everything has gone crazy.


Take another nap, everything will be back to normal again. Trust me. B-)

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Some of you guys really do take this too seriously.  I play with logic, phrases, and words to try and see what kind of response I may get.    I have only experimented with this in The Grill Room.  I kinda thought it looked like a fun place to play.  Well, I've tried to get a few goats just for the fun of it, cause I don't do it in the other areas due to my being golf minded in the other places.  I have very much enjoyed and benefited from what I have learned from many of you in the forum.

Yes we take posts like the OP's seriously.

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Yes we take posts like the OP's seriously.

For future reference we are not interested in playing games and wasting time. If you want to discuss golf, then hang around, if not, please leave.

What I'm trying to say, Bro.  Grill Room.  Off topic.  Yes?  No?  You make my point but don't really let me know that there is any differentiation between areas of the Forum.  You see what I mean, yes?   Why have any boundaries if there are none.  Just call one giant thread "GOLF".

I have a day or two that I experiment with different threads.  No one can handle it?  C'mon  guys, life cannot be this serious.  No, really, it is not actually this serious.  I have written 5, 10, 20 page papers on death and dying.  Is it any wonder that I do not take things as serious as many of you?    And you do not have the respect to let me opine in a vein of humor because of the the way you do or do not believe?  This is simply unfair.

Please leave?  I never thought I would hear that from you.


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What I'm trying to say, Bro.  Grill Room.  Off topic.  Yes?  No?  You make my point but don't really let me know that there is any differentiation between areas of the Forum.  You see what I mean, yes?   Why have any boundaries if there are none.  Just call one giant thread "GOLF". I have a day or two that I experiment with different threads.  No one can handle it?  C'mon  guys, life cannot be this serious.  No, really, it is not actually this serious.  I have written 5, 10, 20 page papers on death and dying.  Is it any wonder that I do not take things as serious as many of you?    And you do not have the respect to let me opine in a vein of humor because of the the way you do or do not believe?  This is simply unfair. Please leave?  I never thought I would hear that from you.

No one wants you to leave we just want you to never post again. :). Seriously I feel like the problem is understanding what is ment in a typed post. I can say what I said above but it might be hard for you to know im joking or being serious. But im pretty sure you know what i mean ;)

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No one wants you to leave we just want you to never post again. :). Seriously I feel like the problem is understanding what is ment in a typed post. I can say what I said above but it might be hard for you to know im joking or being serious. But im pretty sure you know what i mean ;)

"We" just want you to never post again.  Seriously, I'm pretty sure I know what you mean.

Take care all.  May you all live with less fear and more birdies.

Pax Vobiscum,

---Matt


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What I'm trying to say, Bro.  Grill Room.  Off topic.  Yes?  No?  You make my point but don't really let me know that there is any differentiation between areas of the Forum.  You see what I mean, yes?   Why have any boundaries if there are none.  Just call one giant thread "GOLF".

I have a day or two that I experiment with different threads.  No one can handle it?  C'mon  guys, life cannot be this serious.  No, really, it is not actually this serious.  I have written 5, 10, 20 page papers on death and dying.  Is it any wonder that I do not take things as serious as many of you?    And you do not have the respect to let me opine in a vein of humor because of the the way you do or do not believe?  This is simply unfair.

Please leave?  I never thought I would hear that from you.

Just so I understand your logic … you feel that you are at some advanced intellectual level than the rest of us … so you post eccentric assertions in the Grill Room to see our reaction … all for your amusement???

And if we choose not to like that, we take things to seriously??  Now that is laughable!!  (Is that taking it too serious)

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Is it any wonder that I do not take things as serious as many of you?    And you do not have the respect to let me opine in a vein of humor because of the the way you do or do not believe?  This is simply unfair.

This may be news to you but you're not funny.

Please leave?  I never thought I would hear that from you.

You just admitted to playing games and using the site for "experimenting". Basically you enjoy messing with people. So yes please leave if that's what your intent is. If you continue to play games you won't be welcome here.

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Some of you guys really do take this too seriously.  I play with logic, phrases, and words to try and see what kind of response I may get.    I have only experimented with this in The Grill Room.  I kinda thought it looked like a fun place to play.  Well, I've tried to get a few goats just for the fun of it, cause I don't do it in the other areas due to my being golf minded in the other places.  I have very much enjoyed and benefited from what I have learned from many of you in the forum. I promise not to banter in The Grill Room again.  Not because I feel guilty for having been mischievous, but because I see that not everyone can pick up on certain humor.  I know in real life there are people who love my sense of humor and those who think I am totally off the scale.  It just depends on who one is and how they see life in general.  I have worked with many people who simply cannot laugh at themselves for fears only they are aware of.  Some of them are not even aware.  I totally understand these principles in relationship to the individuals themselves and their relationship to the world as they view it.  I fault no one for the way they see others and the world.  We are all different.  Diversity is one of the things that makes the world worthwhile.  How boring it would be if we all thought alike, eh? I propose we all embrace (or at least tolerate) our vast experience in life and our individuality in thought.  And I promise to not relive my times on a debate team in grad school while I am in the Trap. To all my brothers in the wonderful game of golf, ---Matt

Umm, yeah. That's actually called trolling. Writing posts with the specific intent of causing reactions for your amusement. Pretty much the text book definition of trolling. You seem to think you're some kind sage medicine man or benevolent higher being but you're just a troll with delusions of grandeur. "I play with logic, phrases, and words to try and see what kind of response I may get." No you don't. You blather on and make shit up. "And I promise to not relive my times on a debate team in grad school while I am in the Trap." Lol. What a tool. :doh:

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"We" just want you to never post again.  Seriously, I'm pretty sure I know what you mean.

Take care all.  May you all live with less fear and more birdies.

Pax Vobiscum,

---Matt

The please leave was qualified with "if not ,then". WE are not here for your amusement and social interactive experimentation. If you can't stick around without posting crap, then Au revoir, Gopheur.

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