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I have started to capture "quality drives, greens in regulation and putts" and was curious to see if anybody had any ideas of how my numbers look compared to others with similar playing ability.

I am an "in the 80's" golfer with the last 3 rounds being 88,85,85 on a course that I know pretty well.

Today's round here are the stats

Par 70 (36/34)

Score 85 (47/38)

30 putts (1 3 putt and 1 chip in from off the green)

8/13 quality drives

6/18 G.I.R.

3 penalty strokes

Thoughts?

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I have started to capture "quality drives, greens in regulation and putts" and was curious to see if anybody had any ideas of how my numbers look compared to others with similar playing ability.

I am an "in the 80's" golfer with the last 3 rounds being 88,85,85 on a course that I know pretty well.

Today's round here are the stats

Par 70 (36/34)

Score 85 (47/38)

30 putts (1 3 putt and 1 chip in from off the green)

8/13 quality drives

6/18 G.I.R.

3 penalty strokes

Thoughts?

You are probably right were you should be, maybe slightly higher. For missing 12 greens, you should be around an 84, give or take a few strokes.

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You are probably right were you should be, maybe slightly higher. For missing 12 greens, you should be around an 84, give or take a few strokes.

So what you are saying is, to shoot better, hit more greens?

You are probably right were you should be, maybe slightly higher. For missing 12 greens, you should be around an 84, give or take a few strokes.

Really?  Here is an article that says hitting 6 greens a round puts you in the 5-10 handicap.  I don't keep a handicap because I don't consider my scores to be official.  That being said, I believe that I am a fairly honest 16ish golfer.

On the back side i hit 4 greens and shot a 4 over 38, and that included a OB drive that effectively costs you 2 strokes (stroke and distance)

http://www.thegrint.com/range/2013/03/golf-tips-gir/

The front however, I was 11 over with 2 greens hit.  Now I was 11 over because of 2 blow up holes that cost me multiple strokes.  I should have shot closer to 43-44.

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here is an interesting article..

http://probablegolfinstruction.com/golf-scoring-statistics.htm

SCORE = 102.6 - 2.7 X #pars

GIR is SCORE = 95.1 - 2.0 X GIR

I am going to assume that pars are holes of par or better.  I had 3 birdies today but only 2 pars...

So looking at that =5 (which is about normal for me)

102.6 - (2.7 * 5) = 89.1 (this is about normal for me)

I would also say that I typically hit around 5-6 greens a round

95.1 - (2.0 * 5.5) = 84.1  (this is lower than my norm)

so if I want consistently get into the 83-85 (closing on single digit handicap) I need to work on getting better at getting up and down.  Does that sound right?

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Don't know anything about The Grint but I've seen similar stats before in books and magazines. I have been tracking stats for roughly two years. I've watched them change as I've gotten "better", fairly steady trend down from worse than bogey golf. My current GIR is 33.3%, current handicap trend is 8. My GIR fluctuates a little so I look at stats in 5-10-20 round increments to see if periods of better or worse scoring coincides with my stats.

Three greens a side is a pretty good day for me. Mostly because that means those I miss aren't wide misses, my up and down stats tell the story there for any period. Some of those misses will be on the fringe, others easy enough to get up and down that I can play to my handicap or very close. But it's tough to look at any one round and use that as a gauge.

here is an interesting article..

http://probablegolfinstruction.com/golf-scoring-statistics.htm

SCORE = 102.6 - 2.7 X #pars

GIR is SCORE = 95.1 - 2.0 X GIR

I am going to assume that pars are holes of par or better.  I had 3 birdies today but only 2 pars...

So looking at that =5 (which is about normal for me)

102.6 - (2.7 * 5) = 89.1 (this is about normal for me)

I would also say that I typically hit around 5-6 greens a round

95.1 - (2.0 * 5.5) = 84.1  (this is lower than my norm)

so if I want consistently get into the 83-85 (closing on single digit handicap) I need to work on getting better at getting up and down.  Does that sound right?

For me getting up and down more was just a symptom of better ball striking overall. My misses were better.

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here is an interesting article..

http://probablegolfinstruction.com/golf-scoring-statistics.htm

SCORE = 102.6 - 2.7 X #pars

GIR is SCORE = 95.1 - 2.0 X GIR

I am going to assume that pars are holes of par or better.  I had 3 birdies today but only 2 pars...

So looking at that =5 (which is about normal for me)

102.6 - (2.7 * 5) = 89.1 (this is about normal for me)

I would also say that I typically hit around 5-6 greens a round

95.1 - (2.0 * 5.5) = 84.1  (this is lower than my norm)

so if I want consistently get into the 83-85 (closing on single digit handicap) I need to work on getting better at getting up and down.  Does that sound right?

why not get better at hitting more greens?

Average PGA Tour Scrambling is about 58%.

Average PGA tour 3 putting is about 3-5%

Let me ask you this, what gives you the better chance to make par, hitting more greens or improving your scrambling. Even if you still hit only 6 greens a round, with a PGA average scrambling you probably are going to shoot about 12-13 over par. Lets say you hit 3 more greens in regulation, you will most likely improve by three strokes or more. Just because you are more likely to sink a long putt for birdie than chip one in.

Just going by the odds, hitting more GIR is a bigger determinant to scoring than improving your short game.

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Just curious how long is your course?  What kind of clubs are you hitting into par 4s?

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Just curious how long is your course?  What kind of clubs are you hitting into par 4s?

6300 yards (but it's only a par 70) if you play the blues, 6000 if you play the whites.

Today on my quality drives I hit the following irons into the green

8i

6i

9i

6i

8i (was a terrible drive and I had to get over a tree, was 170 away, but didn't think I could get anymore than an 8i over the tree, ended up a little short)

GW

PW

GW

My 9i is a 145 club, and my 8i goes 155~160 as a frame of reference.

Par 3 tee off clubs

GW (hit green)

7i (missed just right, hit a cart path and bounced 20 yards further right)

4i (missed left)

GW (short, I think I had the ball to far forward in my stance and added loft getting the ball too high in air and was playing for a short pin instead of playing to the middle of the green)

6i (hit)

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why not get better at hitting more greens?

Average PGA Tour Scrambling is about 58%.

Average PGA tour 3 putting is about 3-5%

Let me ask you this, what gives you the better chance to make par, hitting more greens or improving your scrambling. Even if you still hit only 6 greens a round, with a PGA average scrambling you probably are going to shoot about 12-13 over par. Lets say you hit 3 more greens in regulation, you will most likely improve by three strokes or more. Just because you are more likely to sink a long putt for birdie than chip one in.

Just going by the odds, hitting more GIR is a bigger determinant to scoring than improving your short game.

you may be right about that but im not sure.i think you need to either hit a lot of greens or be very good at short game.last week I shot a 73 only hitting 4 greens but the greens were only the size of a couple cars.i made a lot of 1 putts to make 3 birdies and 9 pars.

why not get better at hitting more greens?

Average PGA Tour Scrambling is about 58%.

Average PGA tour 3 putting is about 3-5%

Let me ask you this, what gives you the better chance to make par, hitting more greens or improving your scrambling. Even if you still hit only 6 greens a round, with a PGA average scrambling you probably are going to shoot about 12-13 over par. Lets say you hit 3 more greens in regulation, you will most likely improve by three strokes or more. Just because you are more likely to sink a long putt for birdie than chip one in.

Just going by the odds, hitting more GIR is a bigger determinant to scoring than improving your short game.

ive always went by this formula although its not exact.ill take the score of 90 and for every green you hit you subtract a stroke from that so hitting 18 greens would equate a 72 although id imagine hitting 18 greens youd shoot better than 72.most of the time if i only hit 5 grrens then roughly im gonna shoot around an 85.

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why not get better at hitting more greens?

Average PGA Tour Scrambling is about 58%.

Average PGA tour 3 putting is about 3-5%

Let me ask you this, what gives you the better chance to make par, hitting more greens or improving your scrambling. Even if you still hit only 6 greens a round, with a PGA average scrambling you probably are going to shoot about 12-13 over par. Lets say you hit 3 more greens in regulation, you will most likely improve by three strokes or more. Just because you are more likely to sink a long putt for birdie than chip one in.

Just going by the odds, hitting more GIR is a bigger determinant to scoring than improving your short game.


excellent point.  Thanks for the tip.

you may be right about that but im not sure.i think you need to either hit a lot of greens or be very good at short game.last week I shot a 73 only hitting 4 greens but the greens were only the size of a couple cars.i made a lot of 1 putts to make 3 birdies and 9 pars.

ive always went by this formula although its not exact.ill take the score of 90 and for every green you hit you subtract a stroke from that so hitting 18 greens would equate a 72 although id imagine hitting 18 greens youd shoot better than 72.most of the time if i only hit 5 grrens then roughly im gonna shoot around an 85.

This is why I am thinking that my scrambling is where i need to work.  Because I don't get up and down very hardly ever.  I tend to hit 4-5 greens a round, but my average score is just below 90.  I have not tracked scrambling today, but looking at the score card I think that I only did it once today and that was a chip in.

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excellent point.  Thanks for the tip.

This is why I am thinking that my scrambling is where i need to work.  Because I don't get up and down very hardly ever.  I tend to hit 4-5 greens a round, but my average score is just below 90.  I have not tracked scrambling today, but looking at the score card I think that I only did it once today and that was a chip th

excellent point.  Thanks for the tip.

This is why I am thinking that my scrambling is where i need to work.  Because I don't get up and down very hardly ever.  I tend to hit 4-5 greens a round, but my average score is just below 90.  I have not tracked scrambling today, but looking at the score card I think that I only did it once today and that was a chip in.

supposedly its easier to work on short game getting up and down than it is at hitting greens.to be where the pros are you need to hit around 14 greens on average but for most of us single handicapers we would be ok hitting 11-12.personally id rather hit green and at worst 2 putt rather than having to get up and down for par.besides,how many birdies are you gonna make when your having to chip compared to putting.

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supposedly its easier to work on short game getting up and down than it is at hitting greens.to be where the pros are you need to hit around 14 greens on average but for most of us single handicapers we would be ok hitting 11-12.personally id rather hit green and at worst 2 putt rather than having to get up and down for par.besides,how many birdies are you gonna make when your having to chip compared to putting.


sounds like i need to hit the practice green...

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supposedly its easier to work on short game getting up and down than it is at hitting greens.to be where the pros are you need to hit around 14 greens on average but for most of us single handicapers we would be ok hitting 11-12.personally id rather hit green and at worst 2 putt rather than having to get up and down for par.besides,how many birdies are you gonna make when your having to chip compared to putting.

12-14 greens on average.

Yes it is easier to work on short game, and quicker to improve there. The amount of improvement is not as significant as getting the ball closer to the pin on your approach shots. Still the odds of overall, long term success in golf, you need better ball striking.

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My guess is any higher handicap golfer that tracks stats would be able to look back and see scrambling isn't their problem. The holes played poorly leading to higher scores likely have nothing to do with scrambling. We all have the awe shucks holes where we miss an 8 foot putt for par but the damage to the score is minimal. Whenever I see someone struggling it starts on the tee. Often one bad shot leads to another. Until you get to the point where your scoring average is mostly pars and bogeys, with more pars than bogeys, your scrambling stats don't mean much. If you duff two shots and still have full swing shot to get to the green in 3 on a par 4 you aren't scrambling it's just bad golf, probably don't have many legit chances to save par. Even if you 2 putt for bogey your problems started 3 strokes ago. Your scrambling improves as your misses improve.

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I have started to capture "quality drives, greens in regulation and putts" and was curious to see if anybody had any ideas of how my numbers look compared to others with similar playing ability.

I am an "in the 80's" golfer with the last 3 rounds being 88,85,85 on a course that I know pretty well.

Today's round here are the stats

Par 70 (36/34)

Score 85 (47/38)

30 putts (1 3 putt and 1 chip in from off the green)

8/13 quality drives

6/18 G.I.R.

3 penalty strokes

Thoughts?


I'm a 9 handicap. Yesterday I hit 6 greens and shot 79. I got up and down 5 out of 12 times.

Now I'm no magician around the greens ,but my improved wedge play this year has kept me from shooting those zero up and down rounds that end up around 85.

IMO, it really helps to at least have a decent wedge game that can bail you out on a day when your ball striking just isn't there.

Ball striking will save you the most shots, but its also the hardest and most time consuming when it comes to learning and practicing.

I look at it like this. Be a good putter first and foremost, if you hit greens and putt bad you will stink. If you miss greens and putt bad you will stink worse. :-)

Next, get good enough with the wedge to at least give yourself a chance to save par. Once you get those aspects down, you can spend all the time

you want/need trying to improve your swing.

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There was a pretty good thread a while back that talked about the putting part:  http://thesandtrap.com/t/64014/x-handicap-putts-per-round

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Par 36 (9 Holes)

I am a low 90s high 80s golfer

Score-45

Putts- 15 (3 1-putts, 0 3-putts)

5/8 Good Drives

1 GIR ( 6 GIR +1)

0 penalty strokes

2 up-n-downs

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In my opinion short game is moot unless/until you can get around just about every green in regulation.  Not necessarily on every one, but near almost all of them.

In 2013 at the start of the golf season (march in MD), I was a 15.5 hc and had been playing less than a year.  I ended the 2013 season (November) at an 8.3 hc.  No lessons and I had been playing for less than a year and a half by the time the handicap season ended.  How did I do it?  I increased my average GIR to more than 7 per round and I was consistently around almost every GIR.  Everyone has a bad hole here and there but I was consistently getting on or around 16 or more greens in regulation per round.  Thus my focus for all of 2013 was to improve my ball striking which would in turn yield higher GIR results which it did.

Now, for 2014 that my ball striking was at a decent level (it's still improving btw), my focus was on the short game for this year.  Ball striking is still improving but not at the same rate.  So now I'm averaging 50% GIR per round.  This is great but there was a huge opportunity for me because my scrambling percentage is/was so low.  My short game has improved quite a bit but there is a long way to go.  I am only at about 33% scrambling but although that seems low, it has made a huge difference for me in getting a few extra pars per round versus when my scrambling percentage was barely double digits.

A great short game can save you from a lot but only if you are around the green in regulation.  Last Sunday I had one of the worst ball striking days of the year.  I did not feel good and was just "off".  I hit only 5 GIR, the lowest total I've hit all year but I was able to shoot 7 over 79 because I got up and down for par 6 out of the 13 GIR I missed.  That was the best scrambling % I ever had in a round and showed me that the work on my short game has been paying off.

Like yourself, I was also curious at how I stacked up versus other golfers statistics wise throughout my journey so far.  It's hard sometimes because not everyone keeps their stats but there are some good examples out there.  From what you wrote it sounds like you are right where you should be based on your scores.

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