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the 5w vs 2h? yes - for shots between 220 and 240 straight from the range and trackman: 4i - 205 4h - 210 2h - 225 5w - 235 the 4s are close enough for my meager skills to not matter the 2h and 5w...ditto So I have both hybrids in the bag - that, and I don't like having 1 of anything in the bag, so 2 woods, 2 hybrids, multiple irons.  Not sure why that matters, but three woods and a single hybrid is annoying.  strangely enough, one putter doesn't bug me   ; ) so I end up going with what I believe to be easier to get good contact.  As much as I like my 5w, the 2h is nearly always in the bag (I'm more comfy with the visual of the 5w when on the tee box, but I don't think I hit it any better, I'm just more comfy about it, FWIW if I were to reach a point where I start using the driver a lot less on tee shots, I'd likely put the 5w back in again)

5W vs 2h is another topic entirely, but it really depends on what works for you... I can hit both the 4h and 4i. I messed around with some Exotics hybrids today, the X-Rail, XCG6, and the XCG7... the X-Rail contrary to what WUTiger has stated, though it is marginally shorter than the other two... I like the trajectory of the shots... the total distance is only a few yards shorter than the other two, but it lands like a sack of potatoes. It's a hard choice on my final 2-3 clubs... because if I go with the XCG6 line I'm going to have to get the driver... I also hit the 7W which my "caddy" carries in his bag, magic club oh hell yeah... (I was hitting indoors off one of those mats that has multiple grass lies covered) I hit the 7W about 215-220 but was able to choke down and hit some 200 baby fades... This is related: The plan is to get the matching 4W to my Driver, I really like the 7W but I would only have 13 clubs in my bag... because I can fill both the 3 and 4h with the 7W? Alright WUTiger now it's really complicated...

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So here is a wrinkle: If I take the 4I out for now my bag would look like this: D, 4w, 5i-PW, 52, 56, 60 and putter. Which the way I see it leaves my 3 choices to fill the 4w to 5I gap... 1) As WUTiger suggested 3h, 4h 2) 7w, 4h 3) 7w, 4I (though I would only use it for crap lies and punches under trees) Like I said about the 7W though, as WUTiger has told me it is a magic club, and it's true... I don't know honestly, because if I play the 7w that definitely throws a wrench into the equation... Could I still play Option 2 in most situations, and switch to option 3 as my consistency with my 4I improves?

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So here is a wrinkle: If I take the 4I out for now my bag would look like this: D, 4w, 5i-PW, 52, 56, 60 and putter. Which the way I see it leaves my 3 choices to fill the 4w to 5I gap... 1) As WUTiger suggested 3h, 4h 2) 7w, 4h 3) 7w, 4I (though I would only use it for crap lies and punches under trees) Like I said about the 7W though, as WUTiger has told me it is a magic club, and it's true... I don't know honestly, because if I play the 7w that definitely throws a wrench into the equation... Could I still play Option 2 in most situations, and switch to option 3 as my consistency with my 4I improves?

I would suggest a 2hy and 4hy. The 2hy should be shorter than the 4w, but lofted similiarly for playability as you must enjoy with the 4w. A draw with the 4hy will fill the gap behind the 2hy pretty nicely.

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I would suggest a 2hy and 4hy. The 2hy should be shorter than the 4w, but lofted similiarly for playability as you must enjoy with the 4w. A draw with the 4hy will fill the gap behind the 2hy pretty nicely.

Or a fade with a 2h would work to fill the gap between the 2h and 4h... but I like the 4w better no offense... I like the off the tee distance for tight par-fours with trouble

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Or a fade with a 2h would work to fill the gap between the 2h and 4h... but I like the 4w better no offense... I like the off the tee distance for tight par-fours with trouble


very similar to my situation - same points but the other solution

it's good to have options though

key point for me it to bag the favorite of the two (long hybrid vs medium fw - whichever), but don't fall in love with that setup - don't hesitate to switch to the alternate for when the course indicates it

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As some of you may know I've been working on upgrading my clubs over the winter...

(Updated bag info is in the WITB! Photo Edition Thread)

My Exotics CU 4-iron is 23° loft. I hit it pretty well from the tee and fairway (200-210 carry from tee, 195-200 fairway), I block it from time to time sometimes down right flipping slice it... my 5-PW My miss is slightly right less and less as the clubs get shorter... my problem is from the rough and the block to the right with the 4I, so is it time for me to break down and get a more versatile 4-hybrid? Or keep the four-iron and see why I'm blocking it, by taking a couple lessons?

I switched to hybrids, i love the 4-hybrid and my 2 hybrid and I even carry a 5 and 6 hybrid now, that's how much I like them.

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I switched to hybrids, i love the 4-hybrid and my 2 hybrid and I even carry a 5 and 6 hybrid now, that's how much I like them.

Tour Edge doesn't make a 6-hybrid in the X-Rail Line... but I'd feel like I was cheating

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Tour Edge doesn't make a 6-hybrid in the X-Rail Line... but I'd feel like I was cheating

Not me. ;-)

-Jerry

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[quote name="trickyputt" url="/t/80621/4-hybrid-or-4-iron-not-an-easy-decision-at-all-help#post_1113653"] I would suggest a 2hy and 4hy. The 2hy should be shorter than the 4w, but lofted similiarly for playability as you must enjoy with the 4w. A draw with the 4hy will fill the gap behind the 2hy pretty nicely.

Or a fade with a 2h would work to fill the gap between the 2h and 4h... but I like the 4w better no offense... I like the off the tee distance for tight par-fours with trouble[/quote] I do too. I hit a tm 17 3Whl. I think its a stage 2. Ust v2 stiff at 44".

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[quote name="rehmwa" url="/t/80621/4-hybrid-or-4-iron-not-an-easy-decision-at-all-help#post_1113301"] the 5w vs 2h? yes - for shots between 220 and 240 straight from the range and trackman: 4i - 205 4h - 210 2h - 225 5w - 235 the 4s are close enough for my meager skills to not matter the 2h and 5w...ditto So I have both hybrids in the bag - that, and I don't like having 1 of anything in the bag, so 2 woods, 2 hybrids, multiple irons.  Not sure why that matters, but three woods and a single hybrid is annoying.  strangely enough, one putter doesn't bug me   ; ) so I end up going with what I believe to be easier to get good contact.  As much as I like my 5w, the 2h is nearly always in the bag (I'm more comfy with the visual of the 5w when on the tee box, but I don't think I hit it any better, I'm just more comfy about it, FWIW if I were to reach a point where I start using the driver a lot less on tee shots, I'd likely put the 5w back in again)

5W vs 2h is another topic entirely, but it really depends on what works for you... I can hit both the 4h and 4i. I messed around with some Exotics hybrids today, the X-Rail, XCG6, and the XCG7... the X-Rail contrary to what WUTiger has stated, though it is marginally shorter than the other two... I like the trajectory of the shots... the total distance is only a few yards shorter than the other two, but it lands like a sack of potatoes. It's a hard choice on my final 2-3 clubs... because if I go with the XCG6 line I'm going to have to get the driver... I also hit the 7W which my "caddy" carries in his bag, magic club oh hell yeah... (I was hitting indoors off one of those mats that has multiple grass lies covered) I hit the 7W about 215-220 but was able to choke down and hit some 200 baby fades... This is related: The plan is to get the matching 4W to my Driver, I really like the 7W but I would only have 13 clubs in my bag... because I can fill both the 3 and 4h with the 7W? Alright WUTiger now it's really complicated...[/quote] Its about the gaps. How can they overlap without notice?

Tom R.

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I'm going to take a different angle on it ... and this is in general terms, not necessarily with regard to the OP's dilemma.

I've found MODERN cavity backed super forgiving GI long irons are awesome.     Shockingly forgiving, so forgiving in fact it makes me feel guilty how far and straight the ball goes off toe shots.     I have tried many 4 hybrids, and always come back to my 4 iron eventually - it does everything better for me.    Tee shots, tight fairway lies, punch outs under trees, etc.     I have to draw the line at the 3 iron though - I bought a modern GI RBDZ 3i (as my set isn't available with a 3i) & really struggled with it off the fairway for whatever reason ... for me, the hybrid fills this spot much better.

I just think a lot of guys that have been around a while think of the 4 iron the way it used to be (insert unforgiving small headed blade like performers requiring perfect contact) and favor hybrids ... not the way they are now (at least with respect to the super forgiving GI class irons)... heck, Zach Johnson plays AP2's and uses an AP1 4 iron for its forgiveness.

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I'm going to take a different angle on it ... and this is in general terms, not necessarily with regard to the OP's dilemma.     I've found MODERN cavity backed super forgiving GI long irons are awesome.     Shockingly forgiving, so forgiving in fact it makes me feel guilty how far and straight the ball goes off toe shots.     I have tried many 4 hybrids, and always come back to my 4 iron eventually - it does everything better for me.    Tee shots, tight fairway lies, punch outs under trees, etc.     I have to draw the line at the 3 iron though - I bought a modern GI RBDZ 3i (as my set isn't available with a 3i) & really struggled with it off the fairway for whatever reason ... for me, the hybrid fills this spot much better. I just think a lot of guys that have been around a while think of the 4 iron the way it used to be (insert unforgiving small headed blade like performers requiring perfect contact) and favor hybrids ... not the way they are now (at least with respect to the super forgiving GI class irons)... heck, Zach Johnson plays AP2's and uses an AP1 4 iron for its forgiveness.

I can hit long irons, and get them off the ground, I just am having trouble, with my miss, which is a block to the right... I'm looking for more versatility, I could throw like an XCG7 4I in the bag, but I don't for two reasons... 1 I don't like a 5 degree gap between long irons, 2. Its really hard to get individual irons from Tour Edge (it's not Tour Edge, it's the bigger retailer's laziness)

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I just checked the Tour Edge site, and while they have an online store they only seem to offer wedges and putters directly. Have you tried contacting them directly?

I've still got a set of Tour Edge Bazooka Titaniums that are most likely going to a relative. I got them used, had a broken shaft on the 5iron, and a local short course/driving range shop sent it back and Tour Edge replaced the shaft for free for me.

Anyway, back to the discussion.

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I just checked the Tour Edge site, and while they have an online store they only seem to offer wedges and putters directly. Have you tried contacting them directly? I've still got a set of Tour Edge Bazooka Titaniums that are most likely going to a relative. I got them used, had a broken shaft on the 5iron, and a local short course/driving range shop sent it back and Tour Edge replaced the shaft for free for me. I've emailed Doug from Tour Edge and he said that they do special orders for single irons, but the retailer would have to place the order, I sent a carbon copy of the email to all three retailers (to get the CU 3-iron)... no response from any of the three...

Anyway, back to the discussion. [/quote] I'm thinking I'm going to get a 3h and 4h along with a 3 or 4w... when the snow is gone, I'll work on my 4I, I may still get the matching 3I for tighter courses with hazards at 220-230, that are a 270 forced carry... Does anyone else with HI between 7.0 and 16.0 ish have an opinion?

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I'm thinking I'm going to get a 3h and 4h along with a 3 or 4w... when the snow is gone, I'll work on my 4I, I may still get the matching 3I for tighter courses with hazards at 220-230, that are a 270 forced carry... Does anyone else with HI between 7.0 and 16.0 ish have an opinion?

I have a 4w 3h and 4h. All of them are callaway x2 hot's. I don't have all that big of a yardage gap (I dont think game golf might tell me different this year). I like having the 4w for tee shots when a driver isn't the best choice. I also like hitting it out of the fairway. I switch to the hybrids out of the rough or sand. My 4w is 17° the 3h is 19° and the 4h is 22° I believe.

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... Which the way I see it leaves my 3 choices to fill the 4w to 5I gap...

1) As WUTiger suggested 3h, 4h

2) 7w, 4h

3) 7w, 4I (though I would only use it for crap lies and punches under trees)

Like I said about the 7W though, as WUTiger has told me it is a magic club, and it's true...

I don't know honestly, because if I play the 7w that definitely throws a wrench into the equation...

Could I still play Option 2 in most situations, and switch to option 3 as my consistency with my 4I improves?

Go with Option 1 or 2, whichever feels better.

Option 3 would work on some courses, unless you get laser-straight with the 4H.

Your caddie would like to remind you that you're a sub-10 HDCP. It's your call... :dance:

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It's just tricky because if I play Newman (my home course), it's open for the most part, and the rough doesn't penalize you a lot, If I play Maple Hill, a lot of dog-legs come into play (both courses are around 6400 yards with similar length par-4s), if I play Soaring Eagles, that has a bunch of long par-3s, (one of which if I play it all the way back I have to jump on a 4W to get to the green or choke down on a Driver)... I'm thinking Option 1 for Newman, maybe put the 7W in when 18 is playing really really long... So WUTiger, do you think once this Damn snow melts work on grooving that 4I again? Or once I put the 4H in in, I'll never want to hit a long iron again?

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As mentioned earlier in the thread, what about an iron hybrid? Mizuno MP-H5 / MP-H4, Titlelist 712u, Callaway X-Utility, Yonex whatever it is?

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