Picking the ball up and walking off the green!

[Fourputt]

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Originally Posted by Shorty

That's simple.

No concessions.

You putt out and play the match also.

I know it's simple - my point being that it is important to determine that in advance to avoid get into a muddle during the game.

Would't an agreement to not concede any putts be just as much against the rules as an agreement to concede all puts within 2 feet?  Both are agreements to waive a rule of golf.  The match concession can stand while they still putt out for the stroke side of the competition.

[Elmer]

Would't an agreement to not concede any putts be just as much against the rules as an agreement to concede all puts within 2 feet?  Both are agreements to waive a rule of golf.

My mind is now officially blown, my brain will hurt for the rest of the day pondering this!

[Fourputt]

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Originally Posted by Fourputt

Would't an agreement to not concede any putts be just as much against the rules as an agreement to concede all puts within 2 feet?  Both are agreements to waive a rule of golf.

My mind is now officially blown, my brain will hurt for the rest of the day pondering this!

Bet you never even considered just what you were getting into when you decided to take this game to heart.

[Asheville]

No one should expect a blessing from those who dwell in this Rules folder for made up "Rules." Nor, should one expect satisfactory answers to what one of our colleagues here once said, "What are the Rules when we're not playing by the Rules?"

[David in FL]

Would't an agreement to not concede any putts be just as much against the rules as an agreement to concede all puts within 2 feet?  Both are agreements to waive a rule of golf.  The match concession can stand while they still putt out for the stroke side of the competition.

When we play a dual format we actually allow for a concession for the match, but the player must still hole out for the stroke play portion. It's actually pretty funny how many times a conceded putt is subsequently missed. You'd think we'd learn! :doh:

[Fourputt]

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Originally Posted by Fourputt

Would't an agreement to not concede any putts be just as much against the rules as an agreement to concede all puts within 2 feet?  Both are agreements to waive a rule of golf.  The match concession can stand while they still putt out for the stroke side of the competition.

When we play a dual format we actually allow for a concession for the match, but the player must still hole out for the stroke play portion.

It's actually pretty funny how many times a conceded putt is subsequently missed. You'd think we'd learn!

While I was still in the men's club, all of our match scores were required to be returned for handicap, so we finished out every hole regardless of its effect on the match.  If a player made a breach that resulted in loss of hole, we still applied the stroke penalty and finished the hole for handicap reporting even though the remainder of the hole was irrelevant to the match results.

I must have been stingier than you - I rarely conceded a putt if there was a chance that it might be missed, unless I was pretty much in control in the match.  I once missed an 8 inch putt in a match, fortunately just to tie a hole rather than lose it, but it taught me to take every putt seriously in competition.

[newtogolf]

When we play a dual format we actually allow for a concession for the match, but the player must still hole out for the stroke play portion.

It's actually pretty funny how many times a conceded putt is subsequently missed. You'd think we'd learn!

It's true, guys at the club hate playing without gimme's / conceded putts because they almost never practice putts less than 2'.

[Shorty]

It's true, guys at the club hate playing without gimme's / conceded putts because they almost never practice putts less than 2'.

The reason for gimmes in "make up the rules and call yourself a 5 marker but I've never broken 80" stroke play  is because people know they can miss the short ones. But... they have the excuse that they're "saving time".

[turtleback]

The reason for gimmes in "make up the rules and call yourself a 5 marker but I've never broken 80" stroke play  is because people know they can miss the short ones. But... they have the excuse that they're "saving time".

Well, writing down a 6 could take them more time than writing down a 5.

[ghalfaire]

First the rules of Golf do not allow Stroke play and Match Play to be played at the same time.  Lot of reasons for this.  Your league has a format the rules do not allow, therefore it's somewhat difficult to correctly answer rules questions.

However,

As far as what happened, the player should have lost the hole in Match Play, but because an agreement was reached the hole stands as agreed upon, In Stroke play the player was disqualified for not finishing the hole. (holing out before he teed off from the next tee.)

I am not sure about the last part.  I believe you cannot under the rules agree to violate the rules, in this case Player A should be DQ'ed for not finishing the hole and I suspect Player B should be DQ'ed for agreeing to violate the rules.  The match play can continue with player B having won the hole.  But I agree with all the above comments you just can't really play a match play and stroke play tournament simultaneously because the rules are different.  I wouldn't do it anyway just because course management is a different problem in the two formats.

I should have read a little further before I submitted this.

[Fourputt]

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Originally Posted by Dormie1360

First the rules of Golf do not allow Stroke play and Match Play to be played at the same time.  Lot of reasons for this.  Your league has a format the rules do not allow, therefore it's somewhat difficult to correctly answer rules questions.

However,

As far as what happened, the player should have lost the hole in Match Play, but because an agreement was reached the hole stands as agreed upon, In Stroke play the player was disqualified for not finishing the hole. (holing out before he teed off from the next tee.)

I am not sure about the last part.  I believe you cannot under the rules agree to violate the rules, in this case Player A should be DQ'ed for not finishing the hole and I suspect Player B should be DQ'ed for agreeing to violate the rules.  The match play can continue with player B having won the hole.  But I agree with all the above comments you just can't really play a match play and stroke play tournament simultaneously because the rules are different.  I wouldn't do it anyway just because course management is a different problem in the two formats.

I should have read a little further before I submitted this.

I think that we have all made that mistake once or twice.

[Dormie1360]

I am not sure about the last part.  I believe you cannot under the rules agree to violate the rules, in this case Player A should be DQ'ed for not finishing the hole and I suspect Player B should be DQ'ed for agreeing to violate the rules.  The match play can continue with player B having won the hole.  But I agree with all the above comments you just can't really play a match play and stroke play tournament simultaneously because the rules are different.  I wouldn't do it anyway just because course management is a different problem in the two formats.

I should have read a little further before I submitted this.

Your are correct , if players agree to waive a rule in a stipulated round the penalty is disqualification for both players.  Rule 1-3.  The presumption, with my answer, is the players were unaware or not sure what the ruling was, and agreed on the outcome of the hole based on their "best guess".  This is different than both players knowingly disregarding a rule.

[ghalfaire]

Your are correct , if players agree to waive a rule in a stipulated round the penalty is disqualification for both players.  Rule 1-3.  The presumption, with my answer, is the players were unaware or not sure what the ruling was, and agreed on the outcome of the hole based on their "best guess".  This is different than both players knowingly disregarding a rule.

Not to belabor the point but Rule 6-1 says caddies and players are responsible for knowing the rules.  We all know it probably is impossible to know all the rules and decisions by memory.  Whenever I have been confused about a rule (in a tournament) I call the pro shop and ask.  But of course if the  players just didn't even consider that what was done wasn't by the rule and were unaware then who would know?  I guess, in that case, they just turned in a wrong score, even if that was not their intent.

[Dormie1360]

Not to belabor the point but Rule 6-1 says caddies and players are responsible for knowing the rules.  We all know it probably is impossible to know all the rules and decisions by memory.  Whenever I have been confused about a rule (in a tournament) I call the pro shop and ask.  But of course if the  players just didn't even consider that what was done wasn't by the rule and were unaware then who would know?  I guess, in that case, they just turned in a wrong score, even if that was not their intent.

No problem, good discussion.  Couple of points.  My answer concerning the rules infractions and waiving the rules were specific to the match.  Stroke play penalties are an entirely different animal.  With match play, unless a referee is assigned to the match, there are no incurred penalties.  (Couple of exceptions).  Unless a valid claim is made, players unknowingly breaking rules due not incur penalties. There is no score to turn in, just the results of the match.  The consequences for not knowing the rules is quite different between the two formats.