Jump to content

Recommended Posts

  On 5/10/2023 at 12:06 AM, billchao said:

Ok, lets look at this another way, @BlackDiamondPar5. You're in a match with a someone. On a day when, for whatever reason, most people shoot above average scores for their index. This guy beats you by shooting 7 strokes below his index. You've got no problem with that?

Expand  

This exact thing happened to me, a 7 HCP shoots a -1 to beat me. Of course I know it's possible, still was annoying. 

I've never understood folks who want a higher handicap and argue for it. Oh I get that there is money involved sometime, sure, but works both ways.  I lost tonight, (won the gross, lost the net, giving up 3 strokes). Oh well, should I have argued to raise my handicap? :-)  The only time I really care if if the winner (due to handicap) wants to brag about it.

 

Mike

Driver: TM Sim2 9* Ventus Black, M5 9* Kuro Kage
Fwy: TM SLDR 3W, 5W;    Hybrid: TM M1 4 Hybrid
Irons: TM Tour Preferred MC 2014
Wedges: TM Tour Preferred, 52 @ 51*, 56
Putter: Ping Scottsdale TR Anser 2 or Odyssey Rossie

It isn't the hours that you put in at practice that count. It's the way you spend those minutes. -- tony lema

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator

So, @BlackDiamondPar5, how is a handicap index that drops to 12.5 after you shoot a 5.6 and a 9.0 (IIRC) differential “unfair”?

Especially given that we agree it’s about your “potential”?

  • Like 1
  • Thumbs Up 1

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Moderator
  On 5/10/2023 at 1:31 AM, GolfLug said:

Shooting 7 diff below HCP?? Sandbaggers be running wild in the woods. They must be crushed with impunity. 😂 

Expand  

Oh not, not just 7 strokes below, his Exceptional Score differential was more than TEN strokes below his index.  To me, the system was made just for performances like that.  

 

  On 5/9/2023 at 11:00 PM, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Seems most of the responses back to me are opinions, perhaps those just blindly accepting what's been given by the USGA and whs.  Maybe some don't understand data and statistics enough to ask questions. Maybe some are just interested in carrying water for the USGA. 

Expand  

Perhaps those of us who have direct experience with USGA people, who see how seriously they take their job, how much thought and effort go into each detail, perhaps we've learned to trust the USGA to do a good job.  Is that "blind acceptance"?  I don't think so, its acceptance based on knowledge of the intelligence and integrity of the USGA folks. 

Now its possible that if I was to review all of the data that the USGA, CONGU, EGA, Golf Australia, South Africa Golf, Argentina Golf evaluated, I might come up with a slightly different way to correct for Exceptional Scores.  But my choice would be somewhat arbitrary, any choice would be somewhat arbitrary, even your choice would be somewhat arbitrary.  The general methodology is sound, using full 1-stroke "correction" increments is a very logical simplification, applying the correction to each score in your current history is sound in that the impact diminishes with each new score you post.  Are the break points used, differentials of 7 and 10 strokes below the HI somewhat arbitrary?  Of course they are, and I'm fine with that.

@BlackDiamondPar5 at this point you have a choice to make.  You can keep a handicap, and live by the systems methods and rules, or you can simply stop using it.  You've said it several times, you're not going to change your mind without seeing all of the data, and that's not going to happen.

  • Like 2
  • Informative 2

Dave

:callaway: Rogue SubZero Driver

:titleist: 915F 15 Fairway, 816 H1 19 Hybrid, AP2 4 iron to PW, Vokey 52, 56, and 60 wedges, ProV1 balls 
:ping: G5i putter, B60 version
 :ping:Hoofer Bag, complete with Newport Cup logo
:footjoy::true_linkswear:, and Ashworth shoes

the only thing wrong with this car is the nut behind the wheel.

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  On 5/11/2023 at 5:08 PM, DaveP043 said:

 

@BlackDiamondPar5at this point you have a choice to make.  You can keep a handicap, and live by the systems methods and rules, or you can simply stop using it.  

Expand  

Unfortunately, a small percent of players who wish for a higher handicap choose a third option. 

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Moderator
  On 5/11/2023 at 5:35 PM, reidsou said:

Unfortunately, a small percent of players who wish for a higher handicap choose a third option. 

Expand  

I'm not one to accuse anyone of sandbagging without a good bit of evidence.  He did post his low scores, he simply doesn't like the way the system treated those low scores.

  • Like 1
  • Thumbs Up 2

Dave

:callaway: Rogue SubZero Driver

:titleist: 915F 15 Fairway, 816 H1 19 Hybrid, AP2 4 iron to PW, Vokey 52, 56, and 60 wedges, ProV1 balls 
:ping: G5i putter, B60 version
 :ping:Hoofer Bag, complete with Newport Cup logo
:footjoy::true_linkswear:, and Ashworth shoes

the only thing wrong with this car is the nut behind the wheel.

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Partners

    PlayBetter
    TourStriker PlaneMate
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FitForGolf
    FlightScope Mevo
    Direct: Mevo, Mevo+, and Pro Package.

    Coupon Codes (save 10-20%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack/FitForGolf, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope. 15% off TourStriker (no code).
  • Popular Now

  • Posts

    • Day 2 (22 Jan 25) - Had planned to maybe roll some putts as we get 5-7” of snow last night.  Then the grandson puts into hit some foam balls in the snow - small carpet for a temp tee box, soft foam balls and a wedge and we’re off.  Those were the easy swings - playing a foam ball “in the snow” was major fried egg splash out city….great fun and challenge..
    • Day 42: 1/22/2025 Did my usual mirror work with a 7 iron today. But I also get in some chipping practice in the basement. Hitting my 60 degree and my 54 to a couple of different targets. Looking forward to hitting some balls again as soon. 
    • Day 114 - 2025-01-22 Had 15 minutes before lessons today so reinforced what I did yesterday.
    • Day 5: 1/22/25 Putting and chipping practice. Weight shift drills while doing my Par 4 Success workout.
    • When you're quite overweight, you burn more calories just existing than someone much thinner just existing, so it's easier to lose more weight more quickly, too. A very large person can lose 10-12 pounds in three weeks without being unhealthy about rapid weight loss. If you weigh 170 and want to weigh 160, though, you should take your time getting down there.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...