Who is the biggest underachiever in the Majors?

[natureboy]

I think this thread is basically the same thing and isn't too old:

 

[onthehunt526]

I searched for a similar topic, but yeah, I guess it's the same thread.

[onthehunt526]

Greg Norman, by far... Not Sergio, DJ or Rickie.

Norman. Period. He has two wins in majors. The British Open in 1986 and 1993. His best finish in the Masters is 2nd, only Tom Kite has more Top-10s at Augusta without winning. His best U.S. Open 2nd twice 1984 and 1995, PGA 2nd, 1993... Norman really should've won at least one Masters (he got robbed in 1987, but that was payback for the Kemper Open in 1986), hitting 1-iron off the tee on 18 tied for the lead with Hoch, Faldo, and later Crenshaw in 1989. Leaving a 4-iron to the 18th in the rain that cost him the Masters, and let's not forget that 6 stroke lead after 3 rounds in 1996 that was really sunk in Rae's Creek on Sunday.

The PGA he missed a short putt in the playoff in 1993.  I could honestly keep going on Norman but I won't...

[Mike Boatright]

Sergio garcia

[boogielicious]

I will merge them.

[natureboy]

9 hours ago, onthehunt526 said:

Greg Norman, by far... Not Sergio, DJ or Rickie.

Norman. Period. He has two wins in majors. The British Open in 1986 and 1993. His best finish in the Masters is 2nd, only Tom Kite has more Top-10s at Augusta without winning. His best U.S. Open 2nd twice 1984 and 1995, PGA 2nd, 1993... Norman really should've won at least one Masters (he got robbed in 1987, but that was payback for the Kemper Open in 1986), hitting 1-iron off the tee on 18 tied for the lead with Hoch, Faldo, and later Crenshaw in 1989. Leaving a 4-iron to the 18th in the rain that cost him the Masters, and let's not forget that 6 stroke lead after 3 rounds in 1996 that was really sunk in Rae's Creek on Sunday.

The PGA he missed a short putt in the playoff in 1993.  I could honestly keep going on Norman but I won't...

I think Norman 'underperformed' in Majors when based on his number of wins (and their relative strength) you'd expect ~ 4-5 Majors. He still put it all together and climbed the mountain twice. Colin Montgomerie and Lee Westwood had and 'expected' number of Majors of ~ 3-4 based on their win total, but they never got there. Furyk, Couples, Love III, & Kite each took about 33% of their 'expected Major total based on PGA wins.

[Scotsclaff]

Montgomerie.

[onthehunt526]

3 hours ago, natureboy said:

I think Norman 'underperformed' in Majors when based on his number of wins (and their relative strength) you'd expect ~ 4-5 Majors. He still put it all together and climbed the mountain twice. Colin Montgomerie and Lee Westwood had and 'expected' number of Majors of ~ 3-4 based on their win total, but they never got there. Furyk, Couples, Love III, & Kite each took about 33% of their 'expected Major total based on PGA wins.

I'll buy Love, Furyk, Couples and Kite... Based on the 1 for every five generalization Mickelson has in a sense, but after he won his first, 5 total in a span of a decade. So that would be, a better late than never.

[natureboy]

On 3/26/2016 at 3:17 PM, onthehunt526 said:

I'll buy Love, Furyk, Couples and Kite... Based on the 1 for every five generalization Mickelson has in a sense, but after he won his first, 5 total in a span of a decade. So that would be, a better late than never.

Mickelson's maybe one shy of his 'expected' number based on other wins.

[onthehunt526]

7 minutes ago, natureboy said:

Mickelson's maybe one shy of his 'expected' number based on other wins.

Doesn't Mickelson have like 40 wins though?

[natureboy]

28 minutes ago, onthehunt526 said:

Doesn't Mickelson have like 40 wins though?

37 PGA, 2 Euro, and 1 'Other'. My rough expected Majors per PGA equivalent is about 6. The variance is pretty big too so to be off by one is pretty normal.

[iacas]

1 minute ago, natureboy said:

37 PGA, 2 Euro, and 1 'Other'. My rough expected Majors per PGA equivalent is about 6. The variance is pretty big too so to be off by one is pretty normal.

Wikipedia disagrees with you:

PGA Tour	42 (9th all time)
European Tour	9
Challenge Tour	1
Other	5

[onthehunt526]

9 minutes ago, iacas said:

Wikipedia disagrees with you:

PGA Tour	42 (9th all time)
European Tour	9
Challenge Tour	1
Other	5

Erik,

I think he's counting non-majors, so technically he's right. 5 majors+ 37 regular Tour events= 42 PGA Tour Wins.

Also any WGC, Phil has also count as Euro wins. So @natureboy actually might be correct.

[natureboy]

17 minutes ago, onthehunt526 said:

Erik,

I think he's counting non-majors, so technically he's right. 5 majors+ 37 regular Tour events= 42 PGA Tour Wins.

Also any WGC, Phil has also count as Euro wins. So @natureboy actually might be correct.

Yeah, WIkipedia double lists wins by tour in the summary section. I counted the WGC's as PGA wins.

[iacas]

Majors count as PGA Tour wins too.

But anyway…

[newtogolf]

On 3/26/2016 at 0:47 AM, onthehunt526 said:

Hi Guys,

I mentioned this over in @Wally Fairway thread about "Lightning In A Bottle".

So let's take a different approach, I'm wondering which PGA Tour winners should have won at least one more major than they have won, and non-major champions that really should have 1 or 2 are counted here.

I'll start, Fred Couples had 15 wins on Tour, but only won the 1992 Masters... he was close in other majors, most notably the '98 Masters, when he led after each of the first three rounds, and had the disaster at the 13th Hole...

And I didn't even pick the obvious one... I saved that for the community... Let the debate begin.

I'd say Phil or Jack 

[natureboy]

On 3/28/2016 at 10:19 PM, onthehunt526 said:

I think he's counting non-majors, so technically he's right. 5 majors+ 37 regular Tour events= 42 PGA Tour Wins.

Also any WGC, Phil has also count as Euro wins. So @natureboy actually might be correct.

Yes, the idea was to get a very rough idea of the number of PGA equivalent non-Major wins and do a simple ratio to the number of Majors won. I estimated relative 'win strength' as Euro Tour being .8 of a PGA win and 'other' full field (open type events) on other tours as .66 of a PGA win. The average came out to about 6 non-Major 'PGA equivalent' wins for every Major won.

[onthehunt526]

31 minutes ago, natureboy said:

Yes, the idea was to get a very rough idea of the number of PGA equivalent non-Major wins and do a simple ratio to the number of Majors won. I estimated relative 'win strength' as Euro Tour being .8 of a PGA win and 'other' full field (open type events) on other tours as .66 of a PGA win. The average came out to about 6 non-Major 'PGA equivalent' wins for every Major won.

But it also depends on what Euro Event your talking about. If it's the BMW PGA Championship, it has a lot more clout than a regular German Open or Volvo Masters, or KLM Open... Or if soneone wins the Race To Dubai Tourney over the Azores Open...