Swing Theories

[saevel25]

7 minutes ago, natureboy said:

Some visual similarities in the high 'plane' at address and impact with Norman & DeChambeau.

Yet they both do the 5 keys very well ;)

 

 

[Ernest Jones]

7 hours ago, Patch said:

I suppose if I had a swing theory, it would most likely be from Earnest Jones, and Manuel de la Torre's swing teachings. They were the first swing teachings that I read about that I could understand. 

Just stay in balance, and swing the club head from a good position at the top of the back swing. That's the basics of what I learned from their books, and is what I still go by after all these years I have been golfing.

I also think that a lot of the different swing theories, have at least one, or  more similarities with each other. 

I am also not one to believe in the word "secret" when someone  uses it in their new swing theory. 

I would think Moe Norman's swing is probably the farest from the norm of all different swing teachings available to the golfer. His swing has merit according to the PGA since they offered their membership a letter saying as much many years ago. I have a set of clubs with the proper lie angle for his palm grip swing that I fool around with every once in a while for fun. It's intriguing to say the least.

 

Interesting, and thanks for the plug!

 

I never got very far with EJ and MDL teachings when that was all I was working with, however as I've improved with the help of Erik, Dave and the rest of the 5sk community I've started to find that, more and more, the EJ and MDL philosophy really help simplify your thought process and make it easier to "just swing the club head". The thing is, I never would have got anywhere with just their teachings, I needed some more specific guidance with feels and movements to get me on the right path (pun somewhat intended). Maybe for some natural atheletes, that's all you need, but in my case I needed much more specific help. 

YMMV. 

[GolfLug]

1 hour ago, TheDIYGolfer said:

Like I said in the first part of this post, I'm definitely a fan of this method!  I guess the tough part for me has been matching what I see to what I feel, because as we all are aware, these two things are different for the majority of golfers.  That's why I'm trying to understand as many "principles," "theories," "systems," (whatever you classify them) as possible so maybe I can have a better ability to match what I see to what I feel.

I've got a swing coach who has a really good understanding of the golf swing (mainly through Hogan's teachings, but some from Mac O Grady as well), but despite this, I still have this urge to doubt and learn on my own.

I guess I'm just stubborn in that way. 

Cause and effect with the guidance of 5SK. Sheer physics demands that the club-head move in a diagonal path and move in with square face at impact and the body must hold a fairly steady tilted axis structurally and rotate at the same time. From my POV the 5 keys address all of those. I guess as long as swing theories (good ones) hold these simple basics kosher you can work your levers in slightly different magnitudes and sequences. IMHO, in reality the differences are not really that great and there is an optimum sequence where club moves most efficiently and consistently. As to what it is for each person, to each their own.

Judging from your HCP you obviously must have a decent handle. Anyway happy hunting.

  

 

 

[TheDIYGolfer]

12 hours ago, GolfLug said:

Cause and effect with the guidance of 5SK. Sheer physics demands that the club-head move in a diagonal path and move in with square face at impact and the body must hold a fairly steady tilted axis structurally and rotate at the same time. From my POV the 5 keys address all of those. I guess as long as swing theories (good ones) hold these simple basics kosher you can work your levers in slightly different magnitudes and sequences. IMHO, in reality the differences are not really that great and there is an optimum sequence where club moves most efficiently and consistently. As to what it is for each person, to each their own.

Judging from your HCP you obviously must have a decent handle. Anyway happy hunting.

With any skill, it seems to me that there are only a few "key" things to know in order to be successful (as in the 5 simple keys).  It's just interesting to me how many different ways you can say the same thing.  I'll probably end up where I started, but hey, it will keep me busy for a while!

[colin007]

To me, more important is understanding what makes a ball fly the way it does (true ball-flight laws) and what things you can do with your body to promote different paths and different angles of attack. 

[mvmac]

On 1/27/2016 at 6:20 AM, TheDIYGolfer said:

Hi all, 

I've been doing some reading on different swing theories, trying to understand the differences between some of them.  I wanted to post this thread for anyone who has done some in depth research on the different theories, their strengths and weaknesses. 

As I understand it, there are several time tested principles that most teachers will build their teaching upon, but after that, it's very individualized. 

Here at the Sand Trap, the golf swing is taught through the 5SK system, but I wanted to see if anyone had a list of "systems" that have been/are being taught.  

Although it is short, here is my list: 

- 5SK (Evans)

- The Hogan Swing (Hogan..)

- Stack N Tilt (Bennett, Plummer)

- One Plane (Hardy??)

- Two Plane (Hardy??)

- "Impact Zone" (Clampett)

- The Golfing Machine (more of a list of terminology..)

- The "A Swing" (Leadbetter)

Feel free to criticize, add, remove as you feel necessary!  I'm just trying to get an idea where the different teachings are coming from.

Except for 5SK, the only difference with all the theories you mention is just style points.

You should also add David Wedzik and Erik Barzeski to the 5SK portion.

@iacas explains the difference between 5SK and the other theories here,

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5SK is not tied to any particular "method" and leaves plenty of room for every golfer to have their own quirks and unique pieces - but whether you're Jim Furyk or Tiger Woods or Luke Donald or Ben Hogan or Jack Nicklaus, you must achieve the five simple keys® to play great golf. 5SK will allow us, and our network of instructors, to find the best swing for you to achieve the five simple keys®, within the bounds of what's comfortable, efficient, and possible for each individual.

 

[Hacker James]

On ‎1‎/‎30‎/‎2016 at 6:03 PM, TheDIYGolfer said:

With any skill, it seems to me that there are only a few "key" things to know in order to be successful (as in the 5 simple keys).  It's just interesting to me how many different ways you can say the same thing.  I'll probably end up where I started, but hey, it will keep me busy for a while!

Yep, sometimes it is "the messenger" rather than "the message".  There are some otherwise excellent instructors, that I would never take a lesson from.  I've already stated who I prefer.