Mass Murder in Nice, France

[Phil McGleno]

Surprised to see there was no topic on the mass murder (BAN TRUCKS!) in Nice.

Thoughts go out to the families of those senselessly murdered or injured on their day of celebration.

[Braivo]

I'm afraid we are becoming desensitized to these tragedies. The media on this particular one was very short. Not good. 

[newtogolf]

12 minutes ago, Braivo said:

I'm afraid we are becoming desensitized to these tragedies. The media on this particular one was very short. Not good. 

It was a combo of being desensitized and the fact that the murder weapon was a truck and not a gun. 

[Gunther]

32 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

It was a combo of being desensitized and the fact that the murder weapon was a truck and not a gun. 

And the fact that it was radical Islamic terror.

[Ernest Jones]

Tons of press in Canada. 

[14ledo81]

39 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

It was a combo of being desensitized and the fact that the murder weapon was a truck and not a gun. 

Bingo.....

[nevets88]

1 hour ago, Ernest Jones said:

Tons of press in Canada. 

Right after the attack, I checked the European papers - Le Monde, Der Spiegel, Telegraph/Times/Guardian, etc... It was the lead front page story in big block letters. I then checked the NYT, WaPo, LAT. Front page, but not the lead story, the NYT had the story in small column off to the side on the bottom. Should have done screen caps. Pretty prime example of the reduction of staff in US newspaper international bureaus.

[Silent]

11 hours ago, Gunther said:

And the fact that it was radical Islamic terror.

More like a lone, mentally instable, crazy, f*cked up dude.... Like in Holland several years ago an 'attack' with a car on the royal family, killing several innocent bystanders including children. Nobody ever talks about it anymore. Why? Because it was an act of an angry, metally sick (white) dude.

 

BTW, for who wants to know: far less people get killed by terrorist attacks in Europe now, ('radical islam') compared to the previous century. Interesting...

 

 

[saevel25]

3 hours ago, Silent said:

BTW, for who wants to know: far less people get killed by terrorist attacks in Europe now, ('radical islam') compared to the previous century. Interesting...

Social Media and 24 hour news cycle makes things look like they occur more often when they don't. 

[Silent]

21 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Social Media and 24 hour news cycle makes things look like they occur more often when they don't. 

Exactly. So while it's getting safer, people start to feel less safe. On the other hand it might be possible that right now we're on the way back to yearly high numbers like in the 70's and 80's. But still the 'feeling safe' issue is not rational, since compared to deaths by other causes, let's say in traffic, the numbers are really low. The average per year in the last 25 years is like 50 death, in whole Western Europe. Don't get me wrong, every person who dies because of terrorism is one too many and we have to try to prevent it, but we've had (and still have) much bigger problems.

[nevets88]

I thought the IRA might have bolstered those numbers. According to Wikipedia, 120 deaths from 69 to 97, so ~1% of annual number. Would be interesting to drill down into the numbers indicated by that chart, see where they're coming from. 

[Silent]

1 minute ago, nevets88 said:

I thought the IRA might have bolstered those numbers. According to Wikipedia, 120 deaths from 69 to 97. Would be interesting to drill down into the numbers indicated by that chart, see where they're coming from. 

My guess is IRA and ETA (Spain). Also the terrorism in Germany (think about Munich for example) and Holland (Maluku).

 

The peek in 1988 was the bombing of the Pan Am flight above Lockerbie, thanks to our friend Gaddafi. 

[Jeremie Boop]

4 hours ago, Silent said:

Because it was an act of an angry, metally sick (white) dude.

 

7 minutes ago, Silent said:

 since compared to deaths by other causes, let's say in traffic, the numbers are really low. Don't get me wrong, every person who dies because of terrorism *or mass shooting* is one too many and we have to try to prevent it, but we've had (and still have) much bigger problems.

Interestingly enough, these are the same things we say in response to calls for gun reform when there's a mass shooting and get dismissed basically out of hand.

[Silent]

36 minutes ago, Jeremie Boop said:

Interestingly enough, these are the same things we say in response to calls for gun reform when there's a mass shooting and get dismissed basically out of hand.

Striping through the 'white' in my quote is not really fair, since I was responding to someone who dropped the opinion that there's less attention now because the criminal was 'radical islam'. With my example I tried to show that religion, race or nationality isn't really relevant when it's 'just' a mentally sick person. 

With mass shootings, you might be right. I think a terror attack can come in many shapes and will come anyway, one way or the other, while someone who's mentally ill will grab the moment and take what's at hand. In Nice that turned out to be a truck, but you'll have to admit that an 'attack' like that is pretty damn rare  It's not like we've had 150 rampages like this in 2016 alone. Actually I remember one more besides this one, and that was Queens Day 2009: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_attack_on_the_Dutch_Royal_Family

[14ledo81]

2 hours ago, Jeremie Boop said:

 

Interestingly enough, these are the same things we say in response to calls for gun reform when there's a mass shooting and get dismissed basically out of hand.

 

I would thumbs up this one if I could.

[boogielicious]

 

3 hours ago, Silent said:

Striping through the 'white' in my quote is not really fair, since I was responding to someone who dropped the opinion that there's less attention now because the criminal was 'radical islam'. With my example I tried to show that religion, race or nationality isn't really relevant when it's 'just' a mentally sick person. 

With mass shootings, you might be right. I think a terror attack can come in many shapes and will come anyway, one way or the other, while someone who's mentally ill will grab the moment and take what's at hand. In Nice that turned out to be a truck, but you'll have to admit that an 'attack' like that is pretty damn rare  It's not like we've had 150 rampages like this in 2016 alone. Actually I remember one more besides this one, and that was Queens Day 2009: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_attack_on_the_Dutch_Royal_Family

It reminds me of the attack below. People were reluctant to call it a terrorist attack then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

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Anders Behring Breivik (Norwegian pronunciation: [ˈɑnːəʂ ˈbeːrɪŋ ˈbrɛiviːk];[6] born 13 February 1979) is a Norwegian far-right terrorist who committed the 2011 Norway attacks. On 22 July 2011, he killed eight people by detonating a van bomb amid the Regjeringskvartalet in Oslo, then shot dead 69 participants of a Workers' Youth League (AUF) summer camp on the island of Utøya.[7][8] In August 2012, he was convicted of mass murder, causing a fatal explosion, and terrorism.[9][10]