Kaepernick Sits for National Anthem

[baller7345]

Just now, Gunther said:

I know nothing of Zero Hedge.  The article links to BLM's actual docs.

In that case, I withdraw my scoff, I'll see what the links contain.

However, that website is known for being conspiratorial in nature while constantly being in doom and gloom mode about finances.

[drmevo]

1 hour ago, Gunther said:

I know nothing of Zero Hedge.  The article links to BLM's actual docs.

BLM or some other organization that CK may or may not support?  I can't see any direct link between the two, but I haven't looked very hard. Are you sure it's the same group?

[Gunther]

31 minutes ago, drmevo said:

BLM or some other organization that CK may or may not support?  I can't see any direct link between the two, but I haven't looked very hard. Are you sure it's the same group?

Not sure I understand the question.  I Googled BLM manifest, or somesuch, found that site and clicked on what I believe are BLM'S demands, complaints, etc.  I don't think the site made them up cuz they matched up with what I had heard on the news earlier this month.  It's disturbing stuff.

[drmevo]

37 minutes ago, Gunther said:

Not sure I understand the question.  I Googled BLM manifest, or somesuch, found that site and clicked on what I believe are BLM'S demands, complaints, etc.  I don't think the site made them up cuz they matched up with what I had heard on the news earlier this month.  It's disturbing stuff.

That website it links to is run by a group called "The Movement for Black Lives" and I don't see any mention of BLM, which, as far as I can tell, is a separate organization.  

Edited September 2, 2016 by drmevo

[Ernest Jones]

Oh, c'mon, there is no way @Gunther would look to nutty conspiracy sites for his info. He takes his research very seriously. 

[Gunther]

32 minutes ago, drmevo said:

That website it links to is run by a group called "The Movement for Black Lives" and I don't see any mention of BLM, which, as far as I can tell, is a separate organization.  

Mmm, interesting, MBL.  I don't know if it's a separate org. or a subsidiary, or what.  I'll look into it, later.  Gonna go watch my kid light up some girls on the volleyball court now.  

[Pretzel]

3 hours ago, CarlSpackler said:

It's OT, but that was not possible with socialist countries in the mix. Their athletes are professional since that is their government assignment. 

Back to CK, has anyone brought up the "Pig" socks that he was wearing. Sorry if it has. I missed a few pages of this madness.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/49ers/2016/09/01/police-reaction-colin-kaepernick-pig-socks-san-francisco/89715672/

I personally think it's one thing to make a statement about what you believe such as the not standing for the national anthem. I don't think it was exactly well thought out by him, but it was within reason.

The socks thing just pushes it over the line into the "he's an ass" realm for me. Wearing socks that represent all police officers as pigs is something that indicates to me the pig is the one wearing the socks. There are police officers who should not be in service, yes, but that number is far, far outweighed by the number of people who take low-paying and high risk jobs to help out their communities. Those people aren't pigs, but you'd never know it from the socks you see and words you hear.

[Jeremie Boop]

11 hours ago, Golfingdad said:

Not sure why you're mocking him for saying this.. It's extremely brave.

We obviously have very different definitions of what brave is.

 

8 hours ago, rkim291968 said:

Yeah, he had a lot to lose for something he stands for.  He will lose sponsors, lose fans, get death threats, etc..   He probably could have done it differently than sitting during national anthem that's for sure.  But I don't blame him for that.  

I don't necessarily agree he had a lot to lose, at least from what I gather about his future in football based on what people have said in this thread. I can concede that he opened himself up to threats though, which I don't agree with at all. I don't care what anyone says or does via peaceful protest, they don't deserve to be threatened with harm.

[newtogolf]

2 hours ago, Pretzel said:

I personally think it's one thing to make a statement about what you believe such as the not standing for the national anthem. I don't think it was exactly well thought out by him, but it was within reason.

The socks thing just pushes it over the line into the "he's an ass" realm for me. Wearing socks that represent all police officers as pigs is something that indicates to me the pig is the one wearing the socks. There are police officers who should not be in service, yes, but that number is far, far outweighed by the number of people who take low-paying and high risk jobs to help out their communities. Those people aren't pigs, but you'd never know it from the socks you see and words you hear.

If he gets cut, I'm sure the socks will be a factor as he's become a distraction to the team and if he's not starting they don't need an attention ***** on the sideline.  

[Phil McGleno]

6 hours ago, Gunther said:

Wtf man, read the BLM manifesto.  This is the basis on which they were formed, among other ridiculous claims.  Enlighten yourself so that you can add something substantive to the discussion.  You're clearly ill-informed on this topic and only entered to create havoc.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

So much I could say-But it would all earn me a warning. You are a real piece of work @Gunther. You are full of shit.

Always falling back on how it is the OTHER people who are the uneducated buffoons. No-It could never be you who is full of shit. Except it is always you.

[Hardspoon]

I have no problem at all with him sitting during the anthem.

The socks are stupid, ignorant, and asinine.

But...the police union just equaled him in the "stupid, ignorant, and asinine" department:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17453262/santa-clara-police-union-threatens-boycott-49ers-games-colin-kaepernick-national-anthem-protests

Yet another "news" story that layers stupid actions with ridiculous overreactions, ad nauseum, until people get bored of it and move on. Imagine he is still sitting in Week 10...you think it will be anything other than an afterthought?

[Ernest Jones]

10 hours ago, Phil McGleno said:

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

So much I could say-But it would all earn me a warning. You are a real piece of work @Gunther. You are full of shit.

Always falling back on how it is the OTHER people who are the uneducated buffoons. No-It could never be you who is full of shit. Except it is always you.

 

Clearly, you're just not smart enough to recognize how smart the Gunthman is. He knows stuff, secret stuff that we will all learn in good time. And it will be shocking. And we will all ask ourselves, "oh why, oh why didn't we listen to Gunther when we had the chance???? He tried to warn us!"

[JonMA1]

16 hours ago, Pretzel said:

The socks thing just pushes it over the line into the "he's an ass" realm for me. Wearing socks that represent all police officers as pigs is something that indicates to me the pig is the one wearing the socks. There are police officers who should not be in service, yes, but that number is far, far outweighed by the number of people who take low-paying and high risk jobs to help out their communities. Those people aren't pigs, but you'd never know it from the socks you see and words you hear.

Nice post. Right on the money, IMO.

Even as a kid growing up with the unsavory crowd I hung out with, I knew better than to push (figuratively or literally) a cop. Many LEOs will approach you with a chip on their shoulder until you show them a little respect. It's really not that hard. And if you are unfortunate enough to encounter one who is a real a-hole, there's still a right way to handle that situation. I wish community leaders would try and send that message to younger folks.

[newtogolf]

13 hours ago, Hardspoon said:

I have no problem at all with him sitting during the anthem.

The socks are stupid, ignorant, and asinine.

But...the police union just equaled him in the "stupid, ignorant, and asinine" department:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17453262/santa-clara-police-union-threatens-boycott-49ers-games-colin-kaepernick-national-anthem-protests

Yet another "news" story that layers stupid actions with ridiculous overreactions, ad nauseum, until people get bored of it and move on. Imagine he is still sitting in Week 10...you think it will be anything other than an afterthought?

Police officers volunteer for overtime to provide security to the 49'ers.  It's fully within their right to not perform voluntary  overtime if they choose not to.  The 49'ers will now have to hire outside contractors to provide these services.  It's not part of their job as police officers to provide this voluntary overtime so they aren't doing anything wrong.

Many of you support repercussions to those who make non-PC comments, quoting their freedom of speech only protects them from government action not private sector, I see it the same way in this instance.  The 49'ers are employing a player who is indirectly placing their lives at risk and tarnishing their reputation so they have the right not to support him or the team. 

[Hardspoon]

57 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

Police officers volunteer for overtime to provide security to the 49'ers.  It's fully within their right to not perform voluntary  overtime if they choose not to.  The 49'ers will now have to hire outside contractors to provide these services.  It's not part of their job as police officers to provide this voluntary overtime so they aren't doing anything wrong.

Many of you support repercussions to those who make non-PC comments, quoting their freedom of speech only protects them from government action not private sector, I see it the same way in this instance.  The 49'ers are employing a player who is indirectly placing their lives at risk and tarnishing their reputation so they have the right not to support him or the team. 

Agreed, they have a right to do it. I'd bet the officers are pissed (they are probably lining up around the block to get overtime for working games!) but I'd bet most support the action.

He has a right to wear pig socks. They have a right to stop volunteering. Both are stupid, ignorant, and asinine (in my opinion). 

 

[Golfingdad]

7 minutes ago, Hardspoon said:

Agreed, they have a right to do it. I'd bet the officers are pissed (they are probably lining up around the block to get overtime for working games!) but I'd bet most support the action.

He has a right to wear pig socks. They have a right to stop volunteering. Both are stupid, ignorant, and asinine (in my opinion). 

 

The socks are only dumb because of the anthem sitting.  They wouldnt be any kind of news on their own.  It would be like finding out that Donald Trump likes to sign everything with one of those naked lady pens or something.

I do think that the socks probably somewhat diminish his message a bit.

 

[Hardspoon]

Just now, Golfingdad said:

I do think that the socks probably somewhat diminish his message a bit.

They definitely do. There is nothing constructive about wearing them.

It is like protesting a war...if you hold peace rallies, that's cool. If you burn a flag or sit for the anthem, you're going to piss people off, even if others think it's defensible. If you start spitting on soldiers as they come home from Vietnam, you're a ****ing asshole.

Those stupid socks are past the line of "asshole" for me, especially because he knew people would notice.

[newtogolf]

17 minutes ago, Hardspoon said:

Agreed, they have a right to do it. I'd bet the officers are pissed (they are probably lining up around the block to get overtime for working games!) but I'd bet most support the action.

He has a right to wear pig socks. They have a right to stop volunteering. Both are stupid, ignorant, and asinine (in my opinion). 

 

I haven't read anything on how the union came to the position they took, my guess is there was a vote but I could be wrong.  

I also agree the whole situation is asinine.  I'd like to see CK do a bit more for those he believes are oppressed than sit out the anthem and wear stupid socks.  He's made millions, how about he invests some time and money to helping to fix the problem rather than just draw attention to himself.