Should the drunk driving limit be increased at Christmas

[David in FL]

14 hours ago, colin007 said:

Do you have proof of this?

Of course not, it's ridiculous.  

A good buddy is a defense attorney....I know, I know, I should pick my friends better...  When I off-handedly mentioned this to him he laughed, and said he only wished.  He'd never lose a DD case.  The first two things every attorney requests, in every case, is the latest calibration report for the machine used, and the record of certification and training for the person who operated it.  Any possible discrepancy or departure from strict standards generally results in an immediate dismissal.  That whole reasonable doubt thing...

 

[mcanadiens]

4 minutes ago, David in FL said:

Of course not, it's ridiculous.  

A good buddy is a defense attorney....I know, I know, I should pick my friends better...  When I off-handedly mentioned this to him he laughed, and said he only wished.  He'd never lose a DD case.  The first two things every attorney requests, in every case, is the latest calibration report for the machine used, and the record of certification and training for the person who operated it.  Any possible discrepancy or departure from strict standards generally results in an immediate dismissal.  That whole reasonable doubt thing...

 

There just might be a bit of a difference between good ole Hicktown, OH and your fine judicial system there in Florida. These guys do what they want out here.

[saevel25]

14 minutes ago, mcanadiens said:

There just might be a bit of a difference between good ole Hicktown, OH and your fine judicial system there in Florida. These guys do what they want out here.

Nope, My Uncle, who lives  in Ohio, got the radar thrown out for a speeding ticket. 

[jsgolfer]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/06/us/traffic-deaths-up-more-than-10-percent-in-first-half-of-2016.html?_r=0

Traffic deaths in the United States rose 10.4 percent in the first half of this year compared with the same period in 2015, maintaining a steady climb.

Officials have not identified a specific cause for the most recent increase.

This is on top of an increase from 2014 to 2015 fatalities.  

The Nation lost 35,092 people in crashes on U.S. roadways during 2015, an increase from 32,744 in 2014 (https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812318)

So whatever we are doing isn't working.  Again, we focus so much on DUI's, unfortunately bad driving occurs everywhere.  There are far too many bad drivers regardless if they are impaired or not, along with a host of other factors.  You have tired drivers, poorly lit intersections/roads, poor designed roads, short yellow lights (causing red light running), fatalities at dusk and dawn (or anytime when visibility is poor), terrible weather, speeding, texting, eating, doing their hair, shaving, reading a book/newspaper, talking to passengers, etc.   Being killed in an accident involving any of these are just as tragic as someone who is killed by an impaired driver, IMO.  But everyone assumes that without the impairment, there would be no crash but logically some of the same factors that cause non-impaired people to crash (and cause fatalities) would also be the same for an impaired-driver, otherwise we should have any non-impaired fatalities. And then on top of that, I'll see if  can find the statistic somewhere, but I think 50% of all alcohol-impaired fatalities are single car crashes.  And Ii think that they include pedestrians in the alcohol-impaired fatalities (even if they are the one that caused it). E.G. You drive down the road, drunk person steps out into the road, you kill them, it is an alcohol-impaired event.  

• In 2014, over 1.1 million drivers were arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol or narcotics.³ That's one percent of the 121 million self-reported episodes of alcohol-impaired driving among U.S. adults each year.⁴

I'm amazed there aren't more deaths on the road and I will venture to say that 121 million self-reported is low.  And I don't have the answers, but I know that stronger DUI laws will not solve the problem, only make criminals out of mostly normal people.  

But no one wants to talk about anything but texting and DUI's because those (like being tough on crime) are easy to get the public behind, as who doesn't want drunks off the road (whether you're impaired or not as long as you over 0.08) and who doesn't want to stop people from texting.  

 

[mcanadiens]

32 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Nope, My Uncle, who lives  in Ohio, got the radar thrown out for a speeding ticket. 

Well then. Your uncle then is surely proof positive that the system works. Boy am I relieved.

[iacas]

I fought a speeding ticket in FL and won.

But that's .

[No Mulligans]

I think if your drunk you shouldn't be allowed to drive at all.  Go with the 3 wood.

[boogielicious]

16 hours ago, No Mulligans said:

I think if your drunk you shouldn't be allowed to drive at all.  Go with the 3 wood.

5 wood. I can't hit a 3W off the deck very well sober.

[Rainmaker]

hmm . .Yes and No.  

Yes . .because I actually do think the legal limit in the US is too strict all year .. but NO . .because, unfortunately, we have to have that limit because too many people have no common sense.  We live in a "Lowest Common Denominator" world.  If the law is not targeted towards the biggest fool . . then that big fool will make you sorry it isn't, lol.   Too bad the rest of us have to suffer.    

[Ernest Jones]

Don't drink and drive, take LSD and teleport.