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8 minutes ago, Alx said:

Please. There are physiological limits to size and ffmi. For some cases its obvious:

Cool. We were talking about Jason Zuback. So no, you can't know just by looking.

He doesn't look like the photo you posted.

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For producing speed? Definitely. Speed is essentially refined strength so the cross sectional area of a muscle makes a big difference. Untrained individuals have greater variance in cross section vs s

I'm not so sure about that. Some of the fastest guys aren't what you'd call "muscular" and strength is most often considered at very slow speeds. Speed != strength, and muscles can be slowed down

I’m sure some do. I’m not a physical training guy. So you may well be right. I just know I’ve seen plenty of strong, slow guys and plenty of weak, fast guys. And I still think we have fast t

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9 minutes ago, iacas said:

Cool. We were talking about Jason Zuback. So no, you can't know just by looking.

He doesn't look like the photo you posted.

At this point were having a much broader discussion. This is what I said on where you can clearly see steroid use"Look at any ifbb pro. Any pro strongman".

Again I was pointing out where you can definitely 100% see use. I did not say Zuback was a slam dunk. What I have said and pointed out is that he does show some obvious signs.

 

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5 minutes ago, Alx said:

At this point were having a much broader discussion. This is what I said on where you can clearly see steroid use"Look at any ifbb pro. Any pro strongman".

No, we weren't, because I wasn't. You attempted to sway the discussion to whatever an "ifbb pro" is, but I didn't consent to that switch.

My comments have always gone back to your assessment that Jason Zuback "pretty obvious[ly]" used steroids.

Bullshit, and it's ridiculous of you to make that claim. It's a man's reputation, and you're going on nothing but looking at some old video.

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38 minutes ago, iacas said:

No, we weren't, because I wasn't. You attempted to sway the discussion to whatever an "ifbb pro" is, but I didn't consent to that switch.

My comments have always gone back to your assessment that Jason Zuback "pretty obvious[ly]" used steroids.

Bullshit, and it's ridiculous of you to make that claim. It's a man's reputation, and you're going on nothing but looking at some old video.

We as In other people in this thread. You werent is not that same as no one was. You jumped along in the last few messages. I just gave you an example where you can clearly see use. IFBB heavyweights - google it if you dont know what it means.

As far as Zuback goes as I said before there are some obvious signs but sure its not definitive proof.

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4 minutes ago, Alx said:

We as In other people in this thread.

No, you don't get to redefine the topic like that, nor do you get to try to skirt past the original thing on which I called you out: your statement that Zuback "pretty obvious[ly]" took steroids.

4 minutes ago, Alx said:

You jumped along in the last few messages.

No, I called you out immediately on the Zuback bit. I've never left that topic. Every post I've made since then has been to call you out on your statements re: Zuback.

4 minutes ago, Alx said:

I just gave you an example where you can clearly see use.

I couldn't care less about that example. I've never left the Zuback example.

4 minutes ago, Alx said:

As far as Zuback goes as I said before there are some obvious signs but sure its not definitive proof.

Then don't say it's "pretty obvious" he took steroids.

No more. Just stop.

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5 minutes ago, iacas said:

No, you don't get to redefine the topic like that, nor do you get to try to skirt past the original thing on which I called you out: your statement that Zuback "pretty obvious[ly]" took steroids.

There was broader discussion with @Lihu and @sharpljp.

 

7 minutes ago, iacas said:

No, I called you out immediately on the Zuback bit. I've never left that topic. Every post I've made since then has been to call you out on your statements re: Zuback.

Then you should probably call out the person who originally threw out the question.

I never used Zuback as an example of someone that was a clear cut case. Pretty obvious != definite.

Stop twisting everything Ive said.

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10 minutes ago, Alx said:

Stop twisting everything Ive said.

Not twisting a thing. You said "pretty obvious" and posted a video of Jason Zuback.

That's the only topic I've ever addressed here with you today.

Once more: the end. Stop.

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9 minutes ago, Seals said:

Eric, 

If you need to shut it down you can. The topic has lost its true meaning anyway.

Agree, and the last linebacker comment was about 5’11” 225 pound ones being referred to as little ones.

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18 minutes ago, Seals said:

Erik, 

If you need to shut it down you can. The topic has lost its true meaning anyway.

True. But I prefer that things just peter out on their own, rather than making an actual decision to lock things. We try, as a staff, to reserve those for the most extreme situations.

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51 minutes ago, Seals said:

Eric, 

If you need to shut it down you can. The topic has lost its true meaning anyway.

 

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50 minutes ago, Lihu said:

Agree, and the last linebacker comment was about 5’11” 225 pound ones being referred to as little ones.

Huh? Am I missing something here? A 5'11" 225 lb linebacker would be undersized in the NFL.

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3 minutes ago, colin007 said:

Huh? Am I missing something here? A 5'11" 225 lb linebacker would be undersized in the NFL.

Exactly, they're "little ones". In fact, the smallest.

https://herosports.com/nfl/tallest-shortest-nfl-player-at-each-position-byby

 

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Just now, Lihu said:

Exactly, they're "little ones". In fact, the smallest.

 

Right, so built like a linebacker would mean 6'4"ish and 250ish

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Just now, colin007 said:

Right, so built like a linebacker would mean 6'4"ish and 250ish

If you say so, I'd believe you.

All I know is St. Francis's (Catholic High School) entire team are about that size. They're pretty huge and Catholic high schools are really competitive.

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3 minutes ago, colin007 said:

Right, so built like a linebacker would mean 6'4"ish and 250ish

Right, when someone says, "built like a linebacker", they are talking about the average, not an extreme.

1 minute ago, Lihu said:

If you say so, I'd believe you.

All I know is St. Francis's (Catholic High School) entire team are about that size. They're pretty huge and Catholic high schools are really competitive.

Has nothing to do with this thread. It makes no sense to go from talking about NFL proto-typical linebackers to a high school.

 

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Just now, saevel25 said:

Has nothing to do with this thread. It makes no sense to go from talking about NFL proto-typical linebackers to a high school.

Just a point of reference for me. I don't really follow every player in football and barely know 50% of the rules when I watch games with some friends who's kids play at these various competitive schools. Other than googling facts for fun, I'm pretty football illiterate. 

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