Hit my hybrid way better than my irons

[dengee]

Hi,

I play the game for a year now and average a 110 on the courses in my area.

I am struggling hitting my irons comfortably compared to my 3 Hybrid or 3 wood. I recently adapted a strong grip hoping to improve consistency and it helped only to further improve my Hybrid and Wood shots. I hit my 3 Hybrid around 190 yards and 3 wood 210 yards. For example my PW only goes 80 yards (I guess "thin") but most of the time I top it to the right. When trying the same swing I do for the hybrid the irons (PW, 9, 8, below I don't even try) just feel weird, in that the weight distribution feels completely different, confusing me on how to guide the club through the swing. What would you guys work on?

I took a couple of lessons already, but did not feel they helped me with that issue..

Thanks for your feedback!

Edited July 16, 2018 by dengee

[boogielicious]

5 hours ago, dengee said:

Hi,

I play the game for a year now and average a 110 on the courses in my area.

I am struggling hitting my irons comfortably compared to my 3 Hybrid or 3 wood. I recently adapted a strong grip hoping to improve consistency and it helped only to further improve my Hybrid and Wood shots. I hit my 3 Hybrid around 190 yards and 3 wood 210 yards. For example my PW only goes 80 yards (I guess "thin") but most of the time I top it to the right. When trying the same swing I do for the hybrid the irons (PW, 9, 8, below I don't even try) just feel weird, in that the weight distribution feels completely different, confusing me on how to guide the club through the swing. What would you guys work on?

I took a couple of lessons already, but did not feel they helped me with that issue..

Thanks for your feedback!

I would recommend starting a My Swing thread in the Member Swings section so we can see your swing. Without seeing it, it is hard to comment on what you need to do to improve.

[dennyjones]

Welcome to TST.    

It's not uncommon to hit hybrids better than irons, even some of the pros have made the switch in their longer irons.  @boogielicious gave you some great advice, don't be shy, start a member's swing thread

[HawkNballs]

I am the opposite.  My hybrid is the most unpredictable club in my bag.  No problems off the tee, but hitting hybrid and 3 wood off the deck can be unpredictable for me at times.  

[Lihu]

46 minutes ago, HawkNballs said:

I am the opposite.  My hybrid is the most unpredictable club in my bag.  No problems off the tee, but hitting hybrid and 3 wood off the deck can be unpredictable for me at times.  

This is more commonly the case. You’re like most beginners.

Although if you really hit 3W 210 off the tee, that would be eally good.

[HawkNballs]

1 hour ago, Lihu said:

This is more commonly the case. You’re like most beginners.

Although if you really hit 3W 210 off the tee, that would be eally good.

Hey!  Who you calling a beginner?  hahahaha!   I've been misquoted! 😉

[Lihu]

1 hour ago, HawkNballs said:

Hey!  Who you calling a beginner?  hahahaha!   I've been misquoted! 😉

Oops...😁

[Shindig]

What's your source on clubs?  I wonder if your irons are possibly poorly fit for you.

[Buckeyebowman]

13 hours ago, dennyjones said:

Welcome to TST.    

It's not uncommon to hit hybrids better than irons, even some of the pros have made the switch in their longer irons.  @boogielicious gave you some great advice, don't be shy, start a member's swing thread

What he said!^^^^ I had been playing golf for close to 30 years, and suddenly found I couldn't get my 2 iron in the air anymore! I could hit it about as high as the gutters on a ranch style house. This was also just after the advent of hybrids. I tried a Cleveland 2 hybrid and fell in love with it immediately!

It would have been nice to see a club to club comparison. I don't understand a 190 yard 3 hybrid and an 80 yard PW. Something seems "off" to me in that scenario. So, yes, a member swing thread might be in order.

[Grizvok]

6 minutes ago, Buckeyebowman said:

What he said!^^^^ I had been playing golf for close to 30 years, and suddenly found I couldn't get my 2 iron in the air anymore! I could hit it about as high as the gutters on a ranch style house. This was also just after the advent of hybrids. I tried a Cleveland 2 hybrid and fell in love with it immediately!

It would have been nice to see a club to club comparison. I don't understand a 190 yard 3 hybrid and an 80 yard PW. Something seems "off" to me in that scenario. So, yes, a member swing thread might be in order.

Agreed. Those are really strange yardages.

[dengee]

15 minutes ago, Buckeyebowman said:

What he said!^^^^ I had been playing golf for close to 30 years, and suddenly found I couldn't get my 2 iron in the air anymore! I could hit it about as high as the gutters on a ranch style house. This was also just after the advent of hybrids. I tried a Cleveland 2 hybrid and fell in love with it immediately!

It would have been nice to see a club to club comparison. I don't understand a 190 yard 3 hybrid and an 80 yard PW. Something seems "off" to me in that scenario. So, yes, a member swing thread might be in order.

 

14 hours ago, boogielicious said:

I would recommend starting a My Swing thread in the Member Swings section so we can see your swing. Without seeing it, it is hard to comment on what you need to do to improve.

 

14 hours ago, dennyjones said:

Welcome to TST.    

It's not uncommon to hit hybrids better than irons, even some of the pros have made the switch in their longer irons.  @boogielicious gave you some great advice, don't be shy, start a member's swing thread

Thanks for all those quick responses. I will go ahead and film myself with the hybrid and PW this week out on the range, so you guys can help me figure this out.

2 hours ago, Shindig said:

What's your source on clubs?  I wonder if your irons are possibly poorly fit for you.

I bought clubs from my neighbor (Ping iBlade Black Dots), but I used Ping's color chart to make sure shaft length and lie fit to my height and wrist-to-floor distance. The hybrid and wood, I have is a cheap Wilson (Tour RX) I kept from my beginner combo set.

Edited July 17, 2018 by dengee

[Shindig]

2 hours ago, dengee said:

I bought clubs from my neighbor (Ping iBlade Black Dots), but I used Ping's color chart to make sure shaft length and lie fit to my height and wrist-to-floor distance. The hybrid and wood, I have is a cheap Wilson (Tour RX) I kept from my beginner combo set.

What are the material and flex ratings on the various shafts?

[golfjedi777]

I would just go with what works. Hybrid all the way to scoring irons sounds fine. Hybrids fly high and drop soft too.

[dengee]

1 hour ago, Shindig said:

What are the material and flex ratings on the various shafts?

The irons have True Temper S300 ("stiff") steel shafts. The wood has a graphite shaft, and the 3-hybrid also a steel shaft (not sure what flex rating, as those were quite cheap).

3 minutes ago, golfjedi777 said:

I would just go with what works. Hybrid all the way to scoring irons sounds fine. Hybrids fly high and drop soft too.

Actually, that's what I am currently mostly doing, just the distance control suffers quite a lot below 150 yards (particularly on up/downhill Par 3s)... 

[golfjedi777]

Try making sure of your gapping. Then make your decision maybe replace more irons with hybrids. Or go single length.

Hope this helps

[Lihu]

1 hour ago, dengee said:

The irons have True Temper S300 ("stiff") steel shafts. The wood has a graphite shaft, and the 3-hybrid also a steel shaft (not sure what flex rating, as those were quite cheap).

Actually, that's what I am currently mostly doing, just the distance control suffers quite a lot below 150 yards (particularly on up/downhill Par 3s)... 

Are your ball flight really high or really low?

S300 are for higher swing speeds. A comfortable 100mph driver swing speed could be reasonable for S300. Even then, many prefer a gentler shaft. The ball flight will naturally be a bit lower. If high, I’d guess you might possibly be casting the club?

[dengee]

13 minutes ago, Lihu said:

Are your ball flight really high or really low?

S300 are for higher swing speeds. A comfortable 100mph driver swing speed could be reasonable for S300. Even then, many prefer a gentler shaft. The ball flight will naturally be a bit lower. If high, I’d guess you might possibly be casting the club?

So, my iron shots definitely tend to go very high and short (if I am not hitting it thin to the right). I noticed on videos of me a couple of months ago, that I flip my wrist through impact in addition to maybe slightly casting the club. I was trying to work on this by doing quarter swings and concentrating on keeping the wrists in front of the clubhead.. Is there a reason you could think of why I am more prone doing these mistakes with my irons vs hybrid/wood?

Regarding club head speed, I never measured it.. so I don't know.

Edited July 17, 2018 by dengee

[Moxley]

4 hours ago, dengee said:

The irons have True Temper S300 ("stiff") steel shafts. The wood has a graphite shaft, and the 3-hybrid also a steel shaft (not sure what flex rating, as those were quite cheap).

Actually, that's what I am currently mostly doing, just the distance control suffers quite a lot below 150 yards (particularly on up/downhill Par 3s)... 

I don't know about others, but I can't control distance on hybrids below 150 yards either. The moment I try hitting a ~190 yard club ~140 yards, I get a lower trajectory and a much higher % roll. It's the roll that makes it so unpredictable.  It's likely just a trade-off you'll have to accept playing this way. 

It's probably possible to a hit a hybrid a shorter distance (than ones full swing would go) and get some distance control by making some adjustments (e.g. higher spin loft, left to right flight) but I think it would take a lot of skill and practice.