Golf Myths Running Topic

[Puttin4Dough]

Erik....I agree with this myth....Golf Myth #203: Posture changes quite a bit from driver to wedge. You stand much taller for a driver, and bend over more for a wedge.  Truth: The vast majority of PGA Tour players have about the same posture. Their hands move away from them for longer clubs, and that's about it.

2nd Truth:  The length of the driver requires one to move their hands away.  

 

[Vinsk]

1 hour ago, Puttin4Dough said:

Erik....I agree with this myth....Golf Myth #203: Posture changes quite a bit from driver to wedge. You stand much taller for a driver, and bend over more for a wedge.  Truth: The vast majority of PGA Tour players have about the same posture. Their hands move away from them for longer clubs, and that's about it.

2nd Truth:  The length of the driver requires one to move their hands away.  

 

Not much difference here with Spieth: Driver vs Iron.

[Righty to Lefty]

On 12/6/2018 at 6:13 AM, iacas said:

Still a myth, and there are instructors out there that actually tell you they can teach you an "effortless" swing.

Fred Couples looks like he swings "effortlessly," but he's said from the top he's swinging as hard as he can.

And that is why I will never try to copy a Pros swing. Sure it looks effortless on the surface but his back has been ripped to shreds over the years and swinging as hard as you can from the top is never going to be the most efficient means to hit a golf ball.  Putting the speed on at the right time is how a swing can be perceived as effortless by a golfer. Even if the intent is to do nothing you will still do something but the goal should still be to let the club do most of the work. In my opinion trying to hit the ball as hard as I can and asking myself what is the minimal amount of effort needed to get the job done are too very different things.  

[iacas]

6 hours ago, Righty to Lefty said:

And that is why I will never try to copy a Pros swing. Sure it looks effortless on the surface but his back has been ripped to shreds over the years and swinging as hard as you can from the top is never going to be the most efficient means to hit a golf ball.  Putting the speed on at the right time is how a swing can be perceived as effortless by a golfer. Even if the intent is to do nothing you will still do something but the goal should still be to let the club do most of the work. In my opinion trying to hit the ball as hard as I can and asking myself what is the minimal amount of effort needed to get the job done are too very different things.  

This post is just all kinds of misguided.

Goodness.

[mchepp]

I am eagerly awaiting the all putts break towards Rae's Creek myth.

[iacas]

24 minutes ago, mchepp said:

I am eagerly awaiting the all putts break towards Rae's Creek myth.

 

[Puttin4Dough]

12 hours ago, iacas said:

This post is just all kinds of misguided.

Goodness.

Erik, even I agree with you on this one.  Holy Cow.  

19 hours ago, Righty to Lefty said:

And that is why I will never try to copy a Pros swing. Sure it looks effortless on the surface but his back has been ripped to shreds over the years and swinging as hard as you can from the top is never going to be the most efficient means to hit a golf ball.  Putting the speed on at the right time is how a swing can be perceived as effortless by a golfer. Even if the intent is to do nothing you will still do something but the goal should still be to let the club do most of the work. In my opinion trying to hit the ball as hard as I can and asking myself what is the minimal amount of effort needed to get the job done are too very different things.  

It has to be "effortless" to hit millions of golf balls so as to not "rip to shreds" muscles and tendons over the years.  Swinging as hard as one can is the dumbest advice ever.  But it's "clickbait" to amateurs so it works.

[Righty to Lefty]

55 minutes ago, Puttin4Dough said:

Erik, even I agree with you on this one.  Holy Cow.  

It has to be "effortless" to hit millions of golf balls so as to not "rip to shreds" muscles and tendons over the years.  Swinging as hard as one can is the dumbest advice ever.  But it's "clickbait" to amateurs so it works.

No it doesn't have to be effortless to hit millions of balls...the muscles have to be conditions to handle the rigors of hitting millions of balls and they better be or you will do damage to the body eventually. I am not the one who said swing as hard as you can from the top as that was Fred Couples advice on how he does it quoted by @iacas.

I stated to assist the momentum of the club head at the correct point during the swing. I don't care about the outward appearance of Fred Couples swing....the end result is that it has wrecked him physically so it was inefficient.  I'm sure he's fine with the damage done to his body because he played successfully on the PGA and Senior tours so I'm sure he feels his sacrifice was worth it.    

[iacas]

6 minutes ago, Righty to Lefty said:

the end result is that it has wrecked him physically so it was inefficient.

Absolutely no way for you to know that at all.

[Puttin4Dough]

7 minutes ago, Righty to Lefty said:

No it doesn't have to be effortless to hit millions of balls...the muscles have to be conditions to handle the rigors of hitting millions of balls and they better be or you will do damage to the body eventually. I am not the one who said swing as hard as you can from the top as that was Fred Couples advice on how he does it quoted by @iacas.

I stated to assist the momentum of the club head at the correct point during the swing. I don't care about the outward appearance of Fred Couples swing....the end result is that it has wrecked him physically so it was inefficient.  I'm sure he's fine with the damage done to his body because he played successfully on the PGA and Senior tours so I'm sure he feels his sacrifice was worth it.    

Fred had a bad back since being a kid.  The only way he survived was to not put pressure on his back....meaning efficient swing.  I suggest you stop posting about Couple's back problems.

[Righty to Lefty]

25 minutes ago, Puttin4Dough said:

Fred had a bad back since being a kid.  The only way he survived was to not put pressure on his back....meaning efficient swing.  I suggest you stop posting about Couple's back problems.

No he hasn't had a bad back since a kid. Nowhere does it state that he was diagnosed with juvenile arthritis or sustained a traumatic injury to his back. You suggest I stop posting about his back problems...wtf.  

 

31 minutes ago, iacas said:

Absolutely no way for you to know that at all.

Sure there is...unless there was a traumatic event that would be noted in his life like a car wreck or juvenile arthritis then it it pretty safe to say that the one thing he does in his life repeatedly and has done millions of reps is the source of his back issues. 

[iacas]

3 minutes ago, Righty to Lefty said:

then it it pretty safe to say that the one thing he does

No, there's still no way for you to know that. He could have been an architect and injured his back bending over to pick up a tube of blueprints one day. You don't know. You're guessing, and, given your history, probably projecting a bit.

At any rate… back to the topic, please. The topic is not "Fred Couples."

[Puttin4Dough]

21 hours ago, iacas said:

No, there's still no way for you to know that. He could have been an architect and injured his back bending over to pick up a tube of blueprints one day. You don't know. You're guessing, and, given your history, probably projecting a bit.

At any rate… back to the topic, please. The topic is not "Fred Couples."

Every so often we agree.  I played several rounds with Fred because my friends knew him and his family.  He had a bad back early-on.  I can attest to a similar fate by opening a stuck window while leaning over a sink when I was 14....never been the same.  But, maybe we should start a Fred Couples swing thread?

21 hours ago, Righty to Lefty said:

No he hasn't had a bad back since a kid. Nowhere does it state that he was diagnosed with juvenile arthritis or sustained a traumatic injury to his back. You suggest I stop posting about his back problems...wtf.  

 

Sure there is...unless there was a traumatic event that would be noted in his life like a car wreck or juvenile arthritis then it it pretty safe to say that the one thing he does in his life repeatedly and has done millions of reps is the source of his back issues. 

Dude...calm down.  Stick with what you know to be facts when arguing a point.  Golf certainly didn't help his back.

Edited December 13, 2018 by Puttin4Dough

[Wurris]

Some of my favourite myths:

- Someone tops a ball: "You didn't keep your eyes on the ball!"

- "Drive for show, putt for dough". This site helps in preaching that this really is not the case, which is great. It amazes me how many people still think that the short game is much more important than the long, considering how much evidence that exists saying otherwise nowadays through stats etc.

- Don't know if this is actually a common myth or not, but the idea that you can put "top spin" on a tee shot. Had this discussion with a group I sometimes play with, where someone hit a drive a bit thin and it went low and rolled out. They said "lucky you got a lot of top spin on that one so that you got some roll out!". I am an engineer, so the physics of the golf swing interests me a lot, so I mentioned that I don't see how the physics of the golf swing in combination with how a golf club + ball looks can ever yield anything else but back spin (and side spin of course). Sure it will start rolling after landing, but in the air it is of course not possible in our realm of golf equipment. Was met with heavy resistance, so I dropped it and let them live in their bubble.

Sad thing is that even though I feel like I have more knowledge than the average golfer, it does not magically make me hit the ball better... 🙂

Edited December 13, 2018 by Wurris
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[Dean Walker]

47 minutes ago, Wurris said:

- "Drive for show, putt for dough". This site helps in preaching that this really is not the case, which is great. It amazes me how many people still think that the short game is much more important than the long, considering how much evidence that exists saying otherwise nowadays through stats etc.

Drive for dough, putt for show more like.

I know this is a small data point, but I just looked at the average standings for the current top 10 in the world for Strokes gained in putting and driving for 2018:

SG OFF THE TEE: Average position for top 10 is 15.9

SG PUTTING: Average position for top 10 is 71.20

Small amount of data, but I think this suggests that saying might be bollocks (for the pro game at least anyway) 🙂

[klineka]

32 minutes ago, Dean Walker said:

Small amount of data, but I think this suggests that saying might be bollocks (for the pro game at least anyway) 🙂

There is no "might be" about it. The old saying is wrong and has been proven wrong with data.

It's not just the pro game, it applies to all levels of golf.

[Dean Walker]

21 minutes ago, klineka said:

There is no "might be" about it. The old saying is wrong and has been proven wrong with data.

It's not just the pro game, it applies to all levels of golf.

Okey dokey. Thanks for that. Not that it really makes too jots to my game. I just try and improve in all areas the best I can. 

[iacas]

5 minutes ago, Dean Walker said:

Okey dokey. Thanks for that. Not that it really makes too jots to my game. I just try and improve in all areas the best I can. 

It should. You should contact Andrew Norrby and pick up a copy of Lowest Score Wins from him. He's in-country, so shipping is inexpensive.