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Fixing divots on greens

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I have a friend who has been fixing his divots by stabbing and pushing down on the divot handle and now, he's twisting his fork. I kept telling him not to do that and do it in reverse instead and he wouldn't listen because our other friend who was the state's high school champ did it the same way. It's bothering me... I remember where some of his divots were and I showed him the bald dead spot... Still deaf ears. What would you ppl do in my situation?
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Originally Posted by Sai-Jin

What would you ppl do in my situation?

Flag the cart girl and order beers.

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Not much you can do if someone doesnt want to listen to you.

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Tell him to pay attention to how the pros do it, not state am champs.

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Originally Posted by Sai-Jin

I have a friend who has been fixing his divots by stabbing and pushing down on the divot handle and now, he's twisting his fork.

I kept telling him not to do that and do it in reverse instead and he wouldn't listen because our other friend who was the state's high school champ did it the same way.

It's bothering me... I remember where some of his divots were and I showed him the bald dead spot... Still deaf ears.

What would you ppl do in my situation?

You mean he's hitting shots off the green and leaving a divot?

Or do you meant he's fixing pitch marks made by the ball landing on the green?

Some people are untrainable.  I've tried the same thing before and some people just refuse to admit that their way is wrong.  I don't know what you can do.  Give him an "E" for effort and keep after him.  At least he's making an attempt, even if it's wrong.

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He hit the green leaving a ball mark and I told him not to push down on the handle and rip the grass upwards.

It's just annoying that the course I play at basically look like a polka dot green with dead ball marks all over the place.

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Originally Posted by VMAN

Tell him to pay attention to how the pros do it, not state am champs.

A lot of them don't do it properly either. It helps if you have a tool best suited to your particular greens. They make different styles for a reason. Speaking of tools, the OP's friend sounds like one.

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his tool is just a basic one. It has 2 prongs and that's about it.

I use the Scotty Cameron Pivot tool and I asked the pro-shop to teach me how to use it.

So far all the marks I fixed were healed perfectly...

But yea... it's annoying to see these ball marks all over the place on the green, specially ones that disrupts the ball's path.

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YOU are entitled to fix to your satisfaction any ball mark on the green. Does not matter who made the mark, or when,  nor where the mark is in relation to your ball or the line of your putt. You may fix any mark on the green before or after you make your putt.

I believe all of this is accurate but i have been known to be mistaken in the past. Fix your marks, sink your putts: you can do no more.

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There is an abundance of information and pics on the net about pulling up on the handle and not down. Find a bunch and email them to him every day until he gets it right.

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I post this a few times a year at my club. Our members are lazy. Its sad. I've always seen fixing a ball mark as something fun a badge of honor. I've hit the green! I'll be happy to fix my mark! And that that turns into, there's another one, oh, and there's one more...

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Originally Posted by Ben

I post this a few times a year at my club. Our members are lazy. Its sad. I've always seen fixing a ball mark as something fun a badge of honor. I've hit the green! I'll be happy to fix my mark! And that that turns into, there's another one, oh, and there's one more...

This is EXACTLY the picture that is attached to our golf carts and it's on HIS side of the seat too!!!!

Lord, people can be such bigots.

I played at a PGA course today and 3 of my puts missed because there was a tiny dead ball mark that made it jump off course a little.

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Just be patient and show him the techniques greens keepers use.  He will eventually get it.  At least he is trying.  I still don't understand why others don't even fix their own mark.  It is pathetic.  I usually fix mine + one other while someone else is lining up their putt.

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I don't fix other ppl's anymore... I'm not their servant.

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Originally Posted by Sai-Jin

I don't fix other ppl's anymore... I'm not their servant.

So you prefer to just let the course go to hell then?  Your attitude is almost as bad as that of the players who won't repair their own.  Or maybe you have an infirmity that prevents you from bending over more than once per green?

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