Jump to content
IGNORED

Ball Flight Laws Video

iacas

By iacas,
in Instruction and Playing Tips

 Share
Note:Β This thread is 5141 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic.Β Thank you!

Recommended Posts

  • Administrator
iacas Hall of Fame Member

iacas

  • Administrator


Uh, yeah.

FWIW, I'm one-take Barzeski. The pull-hook is easy. The push slice was Dave. Tougher shot for me, but he couldn't do the pull-hook, so we're even.

600 FPS, btw. These were good, hard swings. We didn't chip these babies.

Erik J. Barzeski β€” β›³Β I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. πŸŒπŸΌβ€β™‚οΈ
Director of InstructionΒ Golf EvolutionΒ β€’Β Owner,Β The Sand Trap .comΒ β€’Β Author,Β Lowest Score Wins
Golf DigestΒ "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17Β &Β "Best in State" 2017-20Β β€’ WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019Β :edel:Β :true_linkswear:

Check Out:Β New TopicsΒ |Β TST BlogΒ |Β Golf TermsΒ |Β Instructional ContentΒ |Β AnalyzrΒ |Β LSWΒ | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1

Leftygolfer Great Member

Leftygolfer

Those were pretty extreme shots. Good stuff. I don't think you can beat this in enough. People need to know. I had trouble with the sound, maybe it was my PC.

Brian

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Zeph Incredible Member

Zeph

If someone was not convinced before, there is no way one can deny that video. It is what you can call indisputable facts. Very good stuff. Spread the video far and wide, let it be known that the gospel of Faldo and a whole bunch of PGA Certified Professionals is wrong.

High Speed Camera - 1 Nick Faldo - 0
I had trouble with the sound, maybe it was my PC.

There is no sound. The "listen to Faldo" just means, "read what he said". The camera used does not record audio at 600FPS.

Ogio Grom | Callaway X Hot ProΒ | Callaway X-Utility 3iΒ | Mizuno MX-700 23ΒΊ | Titleist Vokey SM 52.08, 58.12 | Mizuno MX-700 15ΒΊ | Titleist 910 D2 9,5ΒΊ | Scotty Cameron Newport 2 | Titleist Pro V1x and Taylormade Penta | Leupold GX-1

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1

bunkerputt Great Member

bunkerputt

Great job Erik. This knowledge has really improved my striking considerably since the myth was dispelled. Now when I hit those push draws, I understand the face was open instead of closed. When people ask how to hit them I tell them make sure your face is open and swing a bit from the inside. The don't believe me and just go on about their business! It's so weird being in the know...

[ Equipment ]
R11 9Β° (Lowered to 8.5Β°) UST Proforce VTS 7x tipped 1" | 906F2 15Β° and 18Β° | 585H 21Β° | Mizuno MP-67 +1 length TT DG X100 | Vokey 52Β° Oil Can, Cleveland CG10 2-dot 56Β° and 60Β° | TM Rossa Corza Ghost 35.5" | Srixon Z Star XV | Size 14 Footjoy Green Joys | Tour Striker Pro 5, 7, 56 | Swingwing

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Moderator
nevets88 Incredible Member

nevets88

  • Moderator
Thanks for the vid. This will be great for my friends who didn't believe me. The first swing, I thought, oh no, shank!

Steve

Kill slow play. Allow walking. Reduce ineffective golf instruction. Use environmentally friendly course maintenance.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1

jamo Incredible Member

jamo

Great video, perfect illustration of what you have been saying for so long. Now I finally fully believe it.

In my bag:

Driver: Titleist TSi3Β |Β 15ΒΊ 3-Wood: Ping G410 |Β 17ΒΊ 2-Hybrid: Ping G410 |Β 19ΒΊ 3-Iron: TaylorMade GAPR Lo |4-PW Irons: Nike VR Pro Combo |Β 54ΒΊ SW, 60ΒΊ LW: Titleist Vokey SM8Β |Β Putter: Odyssey Toulon Las Vegas H7

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1

saevel25 Incredible Member

saevel25

True, but i can see were most teaching professionals got it wrong. A basic assumption would be, you line up square your club fact is square and your swing path matches the target line, it should go straight. So if you change your swing path then the ball should go in that direction. But with the interaction between a ball and the clubface, it would make sense for it to be the club fact angle that dictates the initial flight direction of the golf ball..

Thank about other sports, Tennis for example, you rotate your body. When you hit the ball your body is facing forward, the location of the ball is not dictated by your shoulder or hip alignment, but the angle in which your racket is pointing. Actually thats the best example i could think of, and why others haven't seen that while watching tennis and correlated it to golf is besides me. It makes much more sense now

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
Β fasdfaΒ dfdsafΒ 

What's in My Bag
Driver;Β :pxg:Β 0311 Gen 5,Β  3-Wood:Β :titleist:Β 917h3 ,Β  Hybrid:Β  :titleist:Β 915 2-Hybrid,Β  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel:Β (52, 56, 60),Β  Putter: :edel:,Β  Ball: :snell:Β MTB,Β Β Shoe: :true_linkswear:,Β  Rangfinder:Β :leupold:
Bag:Β :ping:

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1

jamo Incredible Member

jamo

Just want to add in that this really shows the 85% thing, because it is not perfectly perpendicular to the clubface.

In my bag:

Driver: Titleist TSi3Β |Β 15ΒΊ 3-Wood: Ping G410 |Β 17ΒΊ 2-Hybrid: Ping G410 |Β 19ΒΊ 3-Iron: TaylorMade GAPR Lo |4-PW Irons: Nike VR Pro Combo |Β 54ΒΊ SW, 60ΒΊ LW: Titleist Vokey SM8Β |Β Putter: Odyssey Toulon Las Vegas H7

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1

david_wedzik Dedicated Member

david_wedzik

Thanks for the vid. This will be great for my friends who didn't believe me. The first swing, I thought, oh no, shank!

I did "semi-shank" one in trying to get this right btw! Very odd trying to hit a ball with face and path that much at odds.

Dave

David Wedzik
Director of Instruction,Β Golf Evolution

LOWEST SCORE WINS! <- Check it out!!!

Β  Β 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1
1
1

saevel25 Incredible Member

saevel25

I was at a demo day the other day. I think the guy from Nike was saying that the ball would fly were the face pointed at. It caught my attention because of the conversations here. So he was selling clubs on the basis of the fact the ball travels mostly due to the face of the club not were your aiming.

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
Β fasdfaΒ dfdsafΒ 

What's in My Bag
Driver;Β :pxg:Β 0311 Gen 5,Β  3-Wood:Β :titleist:Β 917h3 ,Β  Hybrid:Β  :titleist:Β 915 2-Hybrid,Β  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel:Β (52, 56, 60),Β  Putter: :edel:,Β  Ball: :snell:Β MTB,Β Β Shoe: :true_linkswear:,Β  Rangfinder:Β :leupold:
Bag:Β :ping:

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1

Jay-Bird Great Member

Jay-Bird

I just read in your bio that you turned pro to teach! That's awesome. Congratulations! Serioulsy cool achievement! What did it involve - the "turning pro"? Is there a blog/post/story already posted?

driver: FT-i tlcg 9.5˚ (Matrix Ozik XCONN Stiff)
4 wood: G10 (ProLaunch Red FW stiff)
3 -PW: :Titleist: 695 mb (Rifle flighted 6.0)
wedges:, 52˚, 56˚, 60˚
putter: Studio Select Newport 1.5

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Zeph Incredible Member

Zeph

Sorry, I'm new here but can I get a cliffs notes version of what this is proving and what the "myth" is? Thanks!

The "old" laws, having been used and told forever, almost : The initial direction of the ball is dictated by the swing path. Aim your body where you want the ball to start and aim the club face where you want it to land. The "new" laws, based on laws of physics and high speed video evidence: The initial direction of the ball is dictated 85-100% by the club face angle at impact. If the club face angle and swing path angle are identical, the ball will start 100% along the club face angle. If the club face angle is angled differently than the swing path angle, the ball will start at somewhere between 100% and 85% towards the club face angle. The swing path will cause the ball to not follow the direct angle of the club face, but no more than 15% off. Aim your club face where you want the ball to start and your body farther outside the club face angle, it is usually adviced to take the same amount as you want the ball to move in the air. Trackman has used their high speed equipment to analyze the PGA Tour pros. This showed clearly that the ball started 85-100% along the angle of the club face. The video posted by Erik demonstrates the same.

Ogio Grom | Callaway X Hot ProΒ | Callaway X-Utility 3iΒ | Mizuno MX-700 23ΒΊ | Titleist Vokey SM 52.08, 58.12 | Mizuno MX-700 15ΒΊ | Titleist 910 D2 9,5ΒΊ | Scotty Cameron Newport 2 | Titleist Pro V1x and Taylormade Penta | Leupold GX-1

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1

TheGeekGolfer Dedicated Member

TheGeekGolfer

The swing path will cause the ball to not follow the direct angle of the club face, but no more than 15% off.

What do you mean by 'no more than 15% off'? 15% of what? 15% of 360* (54*)? Please clarify.

In my :nike:Β Β bag on my :clicgear:Β cart ...

Driver: :ping:Β G10 9* Β  Β 3-Wood: :cleveland:Β Launcher
Hybrid: :adams:Β 20* Hybrid Β  Β  Β Irons: :ping:Β i5 4-GW - silver dot, +1/2"
Wedges: :cleveland:Β 56* (bent to 54*) and 60* CG10 Β  Β Β Putter: :ping:Β Craz-e (original blue)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Administrator
iacas Hall of Fame Member

iacas

  • Author
  • Administrator
What do you mean by 'no more than 15% off'? 15% of what? 15% of 360* (54*)? Please clarify.

Up to about 15% of the ball's initial flight is due to the swing path.

Erik J. Barzeski β€” β›³Β I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. πŸŒπŸΌβ€β™‚οΈ
Director of InstructionΒ Golf EvolutionΒ β€’Β Owner,Β The Sand Trap .comΒ β€’Β Author,Β Lowest Score Wins
Golf DigestΒ "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17Β &Β "Best in State" 2017-20Β β€’ WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019Β :edel:Β :true_linkswear:

Check Out:Β New TopicsΒ |Β TST BlogΒ |Β Golf TermsΒ |Β Instructional ContentΒ |Β AnalyzrΒ |Β LSWΒ | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1

gogolfing Great Member

gogolfing

Enjoyed watching this; I have read the forum chatter on this in other threads, but seeing it visually really cleared it up for me.

Thanks

Ping G 410 10.5 ˚ Driver Ping Tour Stiff Shaft
Ping G 410 14.5˚ 3 Ping Tour Stiff Shaft
Ping G 410 19˚ Ping Tour Stiff Shaft
i 500 irons 4-UW 1/2 inch over, blueΒ dot, NS Pro Modus 105 Stiff Shafts
Ping Stealth Wedges Wedges  54˚ 58˚

Scotty Cameron Studio Select Newport 2 34"Β 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Dr. Strangeclub Well Established Member

Dr. Strangeclub

Bravo, iacas! Great video! I'm on the other "New Ball Flight Laws" discussion, and was wondering where this terminology came from. Your demonstration agrees precisely with Jorgenson's "The Physics of Golf". I guess your "New" comes from disagreement with the "Golfing arisocracy", just as Columbus was arguing about the Earth being round with Queen Isabella (Faldo) and the Pope (Woods). People had known the Earth was round from the time of the Ancient Greeks, even its circumference being fairly accurately estimated 2500 years ago. Many sailors of the time of Columbus and earlier also knew the world was round. It was the landlubbers who thought that ships could sail off the edge.

[b]Trackman has used their high speed equipment to analyze the PGA Tour pros. This showed clearly that the ball started 85-100% along the angle of the club face. The video posted by Erik demonstrates the same.

I'd have to see a 15 degree deflection to believe it. I certainly don't see anything remotely in that vicinity in this video.

"If you are going to throw a club, it is important to throw it ahead of you, down the fairway, so you don't have to waste energy going back to pick it up." Tommy Bolt
Insight XTD 9.5Β°, Insight 14.5Β°, X16 P-4iron, Edge 3H

Powerbuilt 2iron and SW, Cleveland 54Β°, Odyssey Rossi II

Β 

Β 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Note:Β This thread is 5141 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic.Β Thank you!

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up

  • TST Partners

    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FlightScope Mevo
    Direct: Mevo, Mevo+, and Pro Package.

    Coupon Codes (save 10-15%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope.

  • Popular Now

  • Posts

    • DeadMan
      Wordle Daily Puzzle

      By DeadMan ·

      Wordle 1,070 3/6 ⬜🟩⬜⬜🟩 ⬜🟩⬜⬜🟩 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
    • coachjimsc
      Wordle Daily Puzzle

      By coachjimsc ·

      Wordle 1,070 4/6 ⬜⬜🟩⬜🟩 ⬜🟩⬜⬜⬜ 🟩🟩🟩⬜🟩 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
    • boogielicious
      Wordle Daily Puzzle

      By boogielicious ·

      Wordle 1,070 3/6 🟨⬜⬜⬜🟩 ⬜🟩🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
    • WillieT
      Wordle Daily Puzzle

      By WillieT ·

      Wordle 1,070 X/6* ⬜🟩🟩⬜🟩 ⬜🟩🟩⬜🟩 ⬜🟩🟩⬜🟩 ⬜🟩🟩⬜🟩 ⬜🟩🟩⬜🟩 🟩🟩🟩⬜🟩 First in a while - just could not connect, time to start a new streak…
    • iacas
      Wordle Daily Puzzle

      By iacas ·

      Wordle 1,070 4/6* β¬›β¬›πŸŸ©β¬›πŸŸ© β¬›β¬›πŸŸ©β¬›πŸŸ© β¬›β¬›πŸŸ©β¬›πŸŸ© 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
Γ—
Γ—
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

  I accept
The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...