What's your average distance compared to your best median carry distance?

**Lihu** · July 7, 2015

I was wondering how far people actually hit on average versus their best median carry distance?

You can put down actual numbers or just percentages. Please post your current handicap or average score. I'm putting down a percentage based on GC2 at a store with my club, Average/Carry= 105% average score 85 on all the courses I play.

So, what are your carry distances versus course distances?

**DrvFrShow** · July 7, 2015

You'll need to explain what you want to the math challenged.

**Moppy** · July 7, 2015

Some of us aren't even "math challenged" and you might have to explain what "best median carry distance" means. ;) Average vs Median. That is a math question. "Best median" what does that even mean?

**Lihu** · July 7, 2015

You'll need to explain what you want to the math challenged.

Some of us aren't even "math challenged" and you might have to explain what "best median carry distance" means. ;) Average vs Median. That is a math question. "Best median" what does that even mean?

Average drive distance (mathematically divided by) your decent driver carry.

I should have worded it this way rather than a median, which was technically wrong since I actually meant decent drive anyway.

**mdl** · July 7, 2015

"Best median" what does that even mean?

My thoughts exactly. There is only one median (per club), not a "best median".

From the survey answers it looks basically like @Lihu or your handicap. Excellent players won't flub it very often, so their median and mean should be relatively close, whereas a poor player hits a bunch of 40 yard dribblers and 130 yard bananas to go along with their straightish 220 yard shots in the fairway, so their mean will be much shorter than their median which will be shorter than their average decently struck shot that ends in the fairway.

Personally I'd be more interested in how much farther people's outlier pured/bombed shots are compared to their average non-flubbed non-banana-sliced, non-duck-hooked shots. IOW, you have a distance you plan for each shot. Maybe you take into account your common misses in deciding your hole strategy, but even if the 40 yard dribblers figure into your mean and median distance off the tee, you're planning the hole based on your stock 220 drives and, say, aiming at the left side of the fairway to counteract some of your slices. So how much further than 220 do you hit the ball when you strike it totally perfectly (without considering the downhill drives with a 2-club wind behind and the like)?

For example, I probably average something like ~260 carry with my driver, but I've google earthed a few of my best ever drives at driveable par 4s and I know that when I absolutely crush it, even with minimal wind and flat ground, that I have carried ~285 before.

**Jeremie Boop** · July 7, 2015

My good drives are about 110% of my average and my great drives are about 120% of my average due to crappy duffs/snap hooks. I average mid-low 90's mostly though I'm trending down towards high 80's low 90's.

**Moppy** · July 7, 2015

Maybe you take into account your common misses in deciding your hole strategy, but even if the 40 yard dribblers figure into your mean and median distance off the tee, you're planning the hole based on your stock 220 drives and, say, aiming at the left side of the fairway to counteract some of your slices. So how much further than 220 do you hit the ball when you strike it totally perfectly (without considering the downhill drives with a 2-club wind behind and the like)?

This has been killing me recently. I figure a club for the average I hit it, then make a relatively pure contact and bury the shot in the woods beyond the dogleg, and maybe you shouldn't have gone driver on that hole, or hit an iron shot behind the green because you overclubbed figuring on a somewhat duffed shot. Since my contact has been improving markedly, I have made the decision to pull a club based on hitting it well, instead of hitting it the average I usually hit it, which may leave me short a lot, and may not yet be the best percentage play, but I am trying to grow into it being a new level of play for me.

I figure it is like I used to play to accommodate my slice, but started losing balls in the woods to the left because fewer and fewer of them would slice, til I got to the point that it was better to aim for a decent drive and lose the occasional slice to the woods right.

I guess what I am saying is that compensatory strategies start costing more strokes than they gain as your ball striking improves and you always need to adjust as you grow as a golfer.

armymedic2 · July 7, 2015

Im around a 15 hc right now. Was 13 most of the summer last year. Average straight drive carries 220 or so. A bomb with a slight draw can carry 260 When i hit a fade on purpose its about 195 carry

**flopster** · July 7, 2015

I'll be perfectly honest in saying I really don't know how far I'm hitting each club because unlike a professional I'm coming into it at varying angles of attack which will give differing distances simply by adding or delofting at impact, one example is the other day I had an uphill approach of about 141 yards and with slope it reached 148, I hit 8 iron for most shots in the 140ish range, anyway I hit it dead pure and it's going straight at the flag and next thing I see is the ball bouncing up the hillside in back of the green, I paced the distance from the stick to the back edge and it was 12 yards and figured about another 5 yards to where it landed basically I carried an 8 iron 165 yards on that one shot which is normally close to a 6 iron carry, now this one event is not going to convince me I hit an 8 iron 165 carry when struck well but what it does tell me is to be more careful with ball position and other factors when choosing the correct club for certain distances, I always thought going uphill meant you would be hitting the ball higher and basically adding loft to the club so you may want to club down but this happened to be the opposite.

**Patch** · July 7, 2015

My average carry distance is also my overall average distance. Sure I get some roll after the carry, but that roll out distance changes from course to course depending on the course's condition. My roll out distance is something I determine on each course, and then add that to my carry distance, unless it's an up hill/down hill shot which effects my carry distance to some degree.

**rkim291968** · July 7, 2015

My average is less than median b/c of 2 - 6 slices, pushes, grounders, and shanks per round.

**Lihu** · July 7, 2015

I just pulled up the Tutelman Page :

The equation for initial ball velocity looks something like this: V _ball = V _clubhead * (1 + e)/(1 + m/M) * cos(loft) * (1 - 0.14*miss)

Where,

m- mass of the ball

M- mass of the clubhead

e- COR

loft- club loft in degrees

miss- miss in inches from the sweet spot

What this indicates is that my assumption that your carry distance as being a good reference point is completely wrong.

Personally I'd be more interested in how much farther people's outlier pured/bombed shots are compared to their average non-flubbed non-banana-sliced, non-duck-hooked shots. IOW, you have a distance you plan for each shot. Maybe you take into account your common misses in deciding your hole strategy, but even if the 40 yard dribblers figure into your mean and median distance off the tee, you're planning the hole based on your stock 220 drives and, say, aiming at the left side of the fairway to counteract some of your slices. So how much further than 220 do you hit the ball when you strike it totally perfectly (without considering the downhill drives with a 2-club wind behind and the like)?

For example, I probably average something like ~260 carry with my driver, but I've google earthed a few of my best ever drives at driveable par 4s and I know that when I absolutely crush it, even with minimal wind and flat ground, that I have carried ~285 before.

Originally, I was thinking of this as well. So, let's have the bombed all out carry distance versus your average distance and your average non-flubbed distance . My guess is a lot more people will see numbers closer or below 1? Numbers above 1 are possibly better ball strikers, but that's kind of why I asked for handicap as well.

My number would be somewhere in the 91.7% range.

Thanks for putting up with me. . .

**rkim291968** · July 7, 2015

I just pulled up the Tutelman Page:

The equation for initial ball velocity looks something like this: Vball = Vclubhead * (1 + e)/(1 + m/M) * cos(loft) * (1 - 0.14*miss)
Where,
m- mass of the ball
M- mass of the clubhead
e- COR
loft- club loft in degrees
miss- miss in inches from the sweet spot

What this indicates is that my assumption that your carry distance as being a good reference point is completely wrong.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mdl

Personally I'd be more interested in how much farther people's outlier pured/bombed shots are compared to their average non-flubbed non-banana-sliced, non-duck-hooked shots. IOW, you have a distance you plan for each shot. Maybe you take into account your common misses in deciding your hole strategy, but even if the 40 yard dribblers figure into your mean and median distance off the tee, you're planning the hole based on your stock 220 drives and, say, aiming at the left side of the fairway to counteract some of your slices. So how much further than 220 do you hit the ball when you strike it totally perfectly (without considering the downhill drives with a 2-club wind behind and the like)?

For example, I probably average something like ~260 carry with my driver, but I've google earthed a few of my best ever drives at driveable par 4s and I know that when I absolutely crush it, even with minimal wind and flat ground, that I have carried ~285 before.

Originally, I was thinking of this as well. So, let's have the bombed all out carry distance versus your average distance and your average non-flubbed distance. My guess is a lot more people will see numbers closer or below 1? Numbers above 1 are possibly better ball strikers, but that's kind of why I asked for handicap as well.

My number would be somewhere in the 91.7% range.

Thanks for putting up with me. . .

Now, I am completely lost.

**Lihu** · July 7, 2015

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lihu

I just pulled up the Tutelman Page:

The equation for initial ball velocity looks something like this: Vball = Vclubhead * (1 + e)/(1 + m/M) * cos(loft) * (1 - 0.14*miss)
Where,
m- mass of the ball
M- mass of the clubhead
e- COR
loft- club loft in degrees
miss- miss in inches from the sweet spot

What this indicates is that my assumption that your carry distance as being a good reference point is completely wrong.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mdl

Personally I'd be more interested in how much farther people's outlier pured/bombed shots are compared to their average non-flubbed non-banana-sliced, non-duck-hooked shots. IOW, you have a distance you plan for each shot. Maybe you take into account your common misses in deciding your hole strategy, but even if the 40 yard dribblers figure into your mean and median distance off the tee, you're planning the hole based on your stock 220 drives and, say, aiming at the left side of the fairway to counteract some of your slices. So how much further than 220 do you hit the ball when you strike it totally perfectly (without considering the downhill drives with a 2-club wind behind and the like)?

For example, I probably average something like ~260 carry with my driver, but I've google earthed a few of my best ever drives at driveable par 4s and I know that when I absolutely crush it, even with minimal wind and flat ground, that I have carried ~285 before.

Originally, I was thinking of this as well. So, let's have the bombed all out carry distance versus your average distance and your average non-flubbed distance. My guess is a lot more people will see numbers closer or below 1? Numbers above 1 are possibly better ball strikers, but that's kind of why I asked for handicap as well.

My number would be somewhere in the 91.7% range.

Thanks for putting up with me. . .

Now, I am completely lost.

Basically, what's the ratio between your longest carry and your average decent shot?

**saevel25** · July 7, 2015

Tough to say what my longest carry distance is. Majority of the time I am not measuring where the ball landed.

Here is data from my last 10 rounds. I'd say the past month this is mostly carry with the way weather has been acting.

Avg: 285

Median: 288

Standard Deviation: 22

Taking my typical ball speed and throwing into flightscope I get 283 carry distance. Sits about right where game golf has it the past two months.

I've actually maxed out my clubhead speed before on a launch monitor. If I just use flightscope optimizer and punch in some numbers.

My average carry is probably 280

My bombtastic carry is 315

My carry ratio is around 90%

MacGruber · July 7, 2015

I voted average is about my carry. handicap is currently 8.6

Average drive is 260. Judging from the drives i see that stop after carry (due to wet conditions) i would say my carry is around 265.

My miss is a weak push slice that goes 240. My true hits end up about 290 out.

**natureboy** · July 7, 2015

Are you talking just driver or all 'drives' including irons. If only driver, include intentionally cut down swings too?

**Lihu** · July 7, 2015

Are you talking just driver or all 'drives' including irons. If only driver, include intentionally cut down swings too?

I suppose the driver is a good gauge. Irons distances usually fall in line with the driver distance.

Just out of curiosity, when do you cut down swings with a driver? I would prefer to choose a smaller club where I can tee up much lower.

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