NCAA Football 2019

[David in FL]

8 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

Because OSU has been moved above OU despite getting humiliated by them at their last meeting...and since then starting this season off with a pack of cupcakes. MSU was blown out today by Wisconsin...and they were ranked 24 when OSU beat them..so that win’s worthless. Cincinnati? Lol!!! Come on man. Texas was ranked #11 and OU beat them away. That’s better than any win OSU has this season...period. I agree about Clemson...but they did win the NC and have kept their spot (undeservingly). But seriously...MSU/Cincinnati? That’s a classic Big10 over hype. Surely you chuckled when you wrote that. It’s all for fun...really....we’ll see in the end what happens. But I guarantee you OSU will be in for a rude awakening if they think MSU/Cincinnati proves their worthiness. LSU over Florida..better than anything OSU has done. Cincinnati...lol....sorry...I just can’t get over that.

Though it kills me to say this, OSU is better than LSU...  and we learned today where Florida resides versus LSU. The only saving grace is that I genuinely think Wisconsin can beat Ohio State.    It’s still early, and lots could happen, but one of them plays for the national championship… 

 Go Badgers!

Edited October 13, 2019 by David in FL

[Vinsk]

 The Aggies are 3-3 with losses to Clemson, Auburn and the Crimson Tide. From here, A&M has road games against Georgia and LSU, along with another three SEC matchups with Ole Miss, Mississippi State and South Carolina.

imagine OSU...or any Big10 team having that to look forward to. Never happen. Gotta find a way to keep OSU up there.

2 minutes ago, David in FL said:

Though it kills me to say this, OSU is better than LSU..

Oh David...David...based on what? Their Cincinnati win? LSU just cleanly beat the #7 ranked team. OSU beat.....#24..then...who just got humiliated by Wisconsin. OSU will get their asses handed to them in the playoffs.

[saevel25]

Just now, Vinsk said:

The Aggies are 3-3 with losses to Clemson, Auburn and the Crimson Tide. From here, A&M has road games against Georgia and LSU, along with another three SEC matchups with Ole Miss, Mississippi State and South Carolina.

imagine OSU...or any Big10 team having that to look forward to. Never happen. Gotta find a way to keep OSU up there.

So any team that loses to those three are a good team? That is doesn't fly. 

ESPN FPI rankings
Ole Miss - 50th
Miss. St - 27th
S. Carolina - 25th

OSU probably beats all three of them by over 14 points. Just saying. Only one of those teams is a top 25 team, and just barely. 

OSU probably beats Clemson right now. They would have a 50/50 shot against Alabama. They probably beat Auburn. So what, 6-1 with a single loss against Alabama. Sounds about right. 

 

[David in FL]

7 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

 The Aggies are 3-3 with losses to Clemson, Auburn and the Crimson Tide. From here, A&M has road games against Georgia and LSU, along with another three SEC matchups with Ole Miss, Mississippi State and South Carolina.

imagine OSU...or any Big10 team having that to look forward to. Never happen. Gotta find a way to keep OSU up there.

 Good grief, you can’t really be saying that Ohio State should be concerned about Ole Miss, Mississippi State and South Carolina?! Or for that matter, Georgia which just lost to a low ranked team.  😱

3 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

So any team that loses to those three are a good team? That is doesn't fly. 

ESPN FPI rankings
Ole Miss - 50th
Miss. St - 27th
S. Carolina - 25th

OSU probably beats all three of them by over 14 points. Just saying. Only one of those teams is a top 25 team, and just barely. 

OSU probably beats Clemson right now. They would have a 50/50 shot against Alabama. They probably beat Auburn. So what, 6-1 with a single loss against Alabama. Sounds about right. 

 

Way over 14 points.  And all 3 combined don’t score 20 points against Wisconsin.

Edited October 13, 2019 by David in FL

[Vinsk]

2 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

OSU probably beats Clemson right now

I agree. 

 

2 minutes ago, David in FL said:

 Good grief, you can’t really be saying that Ohio State should be concerned about Ole Miss, Mississippi State and South Carolina?! Or for that matter, Georgia which is just lost to a low ranked team.  😱

OSU wasn’t worried about Iowa or Purdue either. 

Edited October 13, 2019 by Vinsk

[David in FL]

1 minute ago, Vinsk said:

I agree. 

 

OSU wasn’t worried about Iowa or Purdue either. 

Nor are they today. The only team they’re worried about right now is Wisconsin.

[klineka]

12 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

OSU has a 17th remaining SOS. 
OU has a 24th remaining SOS.
Alabama has a 41st, Clemson has a 72nd (garbage). 

Sagarin keeps his rankings up to date. His calculations would always hammer OSU back in the Tressel era for weak scheduling

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

OSU has a better SOS than all but one of the top 10 teams. 

You mean two years ago? Who is still on that team the played in that game? 

What can you say about the year before that when OSU went into OU's stadium and crush them. Can we go three years back? 

That argument I garbage in college football. Rankings should be based on week to week, not what they did last year. 

You are not even considering how dominate OSU was over those teams. OSU put up more points in one quarter against MSU than they allowed on average all year! One QUARTER!. 

Your argument is similar to Jack being better than Tiger. You are not even taking into account how dominant they have been. 

Also, their schedule stacks up with every other team in the top 10.

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

18 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

Because OSU has been moved above OU despite getting humiliated by them at their last meeting...and since then starting this season off with a pack of cupcakes. MSU was blown out today by Wisconsin...and they were ranked 24 when OSU beat them..so that win’s worthless. Cincinnati? Lol!!! Come on man. Texas was ranked #11 and OU beat them away. That’s better than any win OSU has this season...period. I agree about Clemson...but they did win the NC and have kept their spot (undeservingly). But seriously...MSU/Cincinnati? That’s a classic Big10 over hype. Surely you chuckled when you wrote that. It’s all for fun...really....we’ll see in the end what happens. But I guarantee you OSU will be in for a rude awakening if they think MSU/Cincinnati proves their worthiness. LSU over Florida..better than anything OSU has done. Cincinnati...lol....sorry...I just can’t get over that.

Still waiting to hear what wins Alabama, Oklahoma, and Clemson have had this season prior to today's games (since their current rankings are based on their results before today's games) that justifies their spots in the rankings.

Alabama and Oklahoma hadn't even played a ranked team prior to this week, but yeah that totally makes sense that OSU is the only team with the cupcake schedule     (even though the data around strength of schedule clearly suggests otherwise and has been pointed out to you multiple times in this thread)

[mcanadiens]

Guys. To be real about it. ...

Ohio State has to run the table to be involved. Wisconsin is the same way. We hate to lose to TTUN. That's always a priority, but the Wisconsin game should mean playoffs or not.

I'd reckon that Oklahoma (which I assume is @Vinsk's team) probably has to run the table as well. Texas was the best team on their schedule.

 

[David in FL]

1 minute ago, mcanadiens said:

Guys. To be real about it. ...

Ohio State has to run the table to be involved. Wisconsin is the same way. We hate to lose to TTUN. That's always a priority, but the Wisconsin game should mean playoffs or not.

I'd reckon that Oklahoma (which I assume is @Vinsk's team) probably has to run the table as well. Texas was the best team on their schedule.

 

 I’m still not sure how Oklahoma didn’t lose today. But, a win is a win… 

 So, who is number one this week? The argument could certainly be may be made for LSU…

The rest remain about the same. Oklahoma goes to five and Wisconsin to six.

[klineka]

2 minutes ago, mcanadiens said:

Guys. To be real about it. ...

Ohio State has to run the table to be involved. Wisconsin is the same way. We hate to lose to TTUN. That's always a priority, but the Wisconsin game should mean playoffs or not.

I'd reckon that Oklahoma (which I assume is @Vinsk's team) probably has to run the table as well. Texas was the best team on their schedule.

 

While you're probably right, don't forget about what happened in 2014. If OSU were to lose to Wisconsin in a very close game in 2 weeks but then win out and beat a likely then ranked top 5 Wisconsin team by a good margin in the Big Ten championship game, that could potentially be enough to get them in depending on what other teams do, especially since LSU and Alabama still have to play against each other in the regular season and one of them wouldn't even be in the SEC championship game. 

[David in FL]

1 minute ago, klineka said:

While you're probably right, don't forget about what happened in 2014. If OSU were to lose to Wisconsin in a very close game in 2 weeks but then win out and beat a likely then ranked top 5 Wisconsin team by a good margin in the Big Ten championship game, that could potentially be enough to get them in depending on what other teams do, especially since LSU and Alabama still have to play against each other in the regular season and one of them wouldn't even be in the SEC championship game. 

The exact same could be said for OSU beating Wisconsin in 2 weeks and then Wisconsin subsequently winning the Big Ten championship game…

[mcanadiens]

My top 7 at the moment:

1. Alabama

2. LSU

3. Ohio State

4. Oklahoma

5.  Clemson

6. Wisconsin

7. Penn State

[David in FL]

2 minutes ago, mcanadiens said:

My top 7 at the moment:

1. Alabama

2. LSU

3. Ohio State

4. Oklahoma

5.  Clemson

6. Wisconsin

7. Penn State

You could convince me that LSU is ahead of Alabama… I wouldn’t bet on it, but still…

[mcanadiens]

Just now, David in FL said:

You could convince me that LSU is ahead of Alabama… I wouldn’t bet on it, but still…

It's gonna be one hell of a game. Bet I'll be in front of the tube for that.

[David in FL]

 And I think Clemson is ahead of Oklahoma, given Oklahoma’s somewhat lack luster performance today 

[klineka]

4 minutes ago, David in FL said:

The exact same could be said for OSU beating Wisconsin in 2 weeks and then Wisconsin subsequently winning the Big Ten championship game…

Oh yeah absolutely. 

Maybe the Big Ten isn't so weak after all 

[Vinsk]

7 hours ago, David in FL said:

 And I think Clemson is ahead of Oklahoma, given Oklahoma’s somewhat lack luster performance today 

Sacking Ehlinger 9 times and holding him to -9 yards isn’t too lackluster. Everything has to be considered when judging these teams. OU finally showed some trace of defense. As of right now Clemson laid a big egg in their dismal play against NC. Neither OU, OSU, Alabama, LSU has laid an egg. 

 

7 hours ago, mcanadiens said:

My top 7 at the moment:

1. Alabama

2. LSU

3. Ohio State

4. Oklahoma

5.  Clemson

6. Wisconsin

7. Penn State

With of course the switch with OU/OSU I can agree with this. A question is with who’s the best one loss team and should they be above PSU? Notre Dame’s one loss is to Georgia...which just got made worse for them. Georgia’s loss is devastating...but they beat ND. I think both Georgia and ND would beat PSU. Wisconsin won’t beat OSU. I think OSU is tired of the fluke syndrome (Purdue and Iowa) and they’ll make damn sure that doesn’t happen again leaving WI as their strongest road block. Poor MI won’t stand a chance.

 

[Carl3]

8 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

ND

I am no college football fan, but didn't ND just barely get by an unranked USC?