Jump to content
IGNORED

Has Any Athlete Dominated an Event Like Nadal at the French Open?

nevets88

By nevets88,
in Sports

 Share

Recommended Posts

TomR13 Member

TomR13

image.png.51dd127a904462b45fbe39504fb48ff1.png

Short answer to this resurrected thread.. NO
I just dont think anyone has dominated at the level he did, against the level of competition that he did.  Playing against the top 128 men in the world?  I mean look at some of these finals score lines...  Against the BEST in the world.


ChiTown Dedicated Member

ChiTown

(edited)
On 6/10/2021 at 5:28 PM, nevets88 said:

I mean, come on, look at graphic below... Borg won 6. OK, he retired early, but tennis, like golf, is much more competitive now than it was in the 70s and 80s. Like Woods with a 54 hole lead, he's never lost a FO final. Tomorrow's semifinal I hope will be epic. The Joker is a great player, but I'll be rooting for Rafa.


 

If you only look at the French Open then you’d say Nadal. But if you look at Slams, ATP Masters and World Finals, and ATP rankings the data would say Djokovic over Nadal 

But want to talk about an athlete dominating a sport?  Michael Jordan.

 

Edited by ChiTown

Driver: :taylormade-small: Stealth2+

3W: :taylormade-small: Stealth2

4H: :taylormade-small: Stealth 2

Irons 4I-9I:  :titleist-small: T200

Wedges P, 48: :titleist-small: T200

Wedges 54, 58: :titleist-small: Vokey SM9

Putter:  :odyssey-small: O Works #1 Black


  • Administrator
iacas Hall of Fame Member

iacas

  • Administrator
5 minutes ago, ChiTown said:

But want to talk about an athlete dominating a sport?  Michael Jordan.

Your Chicago bias is showing.

No.

Erik J. Barzeski — ⛳ I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • Author, Lowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1

ChiTown Dedicated Member

ChiTown

2 minutes ago, iacas said:

Your Chicago bias is showing.

No.

Who, in your opinion, would you say dominated a sport like Nadal at the French Open?

Driver: :taylormade-small: Stealth2+

3W: :taylormade-small: Stealth2

4H: :taylormade-small: Stealth 2

Irons 4I-9I:  :titleist-small: T200

Wedges P, 48: :titleist-small: T200

Wedges 54, 58: :titleist-small: Vokey SM9

Putter:  :odyssey-small: O Works #1 Black


saevel25 Incredible Member

saevel25

57 minutes ago, ChiTown said:

If you only look at the French Open then you’d say Nadal. But if you look at Slams, ATP Masters and World Finals, and ATP rankings the data would say Djokovic over Nadal 

But want to talk about an athlete dominating a sport?  Michael Jordan.

Umm, the title of the thread is has any athlete dominated an event like Nadal did at the French Open. We are not talking about dominating a sport. That is off topic. 

Nadal is one of the best of all time, but he is not the greatest at tennis. He is the greatest tennis player on clay. 

This would be like if like Phil won the same tournament, at this specific course, at like an 90% win rate. That includes having the other best golfers show up. Phil is not the greatest golfer of all time. 

  • Thumbs Up 1
  • Funny 1

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: :titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1

ChiTown Dedicated Member

ChiTown

3 hours ago, saevel25 said:

Umm, the title of the thread is has any athlete dominated an event like Nadal did at the French Open. We are not talking about dominating a sport. That is off topic. 

Nadal is one of the best of all time, but he is not the greatest at tennis. He is the greatest tennis player on clay. 

This would be like if like Phil won the same tournament, at this specific course, at like an 90% win rate. That includes having the other best golfers show up. Phil is not the greatest golfer of all time. 

Okay. Then I’ll go with Michael Jordan during the NBA Championships. Hahahaaha. 

Driver: :taylormade-small: Stealth2+

3W: :taylormade-small: Stealth2

4H: :taylormade-small: Stealth 2

Irons 4I-9I:  :titleist-small: T200

Wedges P, 48: :titleist-small: T200

Wedges 54, 58: :titleist-small: Vokey SM9

Putter:  :odyssey-small: O Works #1 Black


  • Administrator
iacas Hall of Fame Member

iacas

  • Administrator
9 minutes ago, ChiTown said:

Okay. Then I’ll go with Michael Jordan during the NBA Championships. Hahahaaha. 

Still no.

apple-touch-icon-228x228-precomposed.png

favicon-32.png NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Win Shares | Basketball-Reference.com

Checkout the complete list of NBA & ABACareer Leaders and Records for Playoff and more on Basketball-Reference.com
apple-touch-icon-228x228-precomposed.png

favicon-32.png NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Win Shares Per 48 Minutes | Basketball-Reference.com

Checkout the complete list of NBA & ABACareer Leaders and Records for Playoff and more on Basketball-Reference.com

Tops but not dominant by any stretch.

apple-touch-icon-228x228-precomposed.png

favicon-32.png NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Points Per Game | Basketball-Reference.com

Checkout the complete list of NBA & ABACareer Leaders and Records for Playoff and more on Basketball-Reference.com

Ditto.

apple-touch-icon-228x228-precomposed.png

favicon-32.png NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Assists Per Game | Basketball-Reference.com

Checkout the complete list of NBA & ABACareer Leaders and Records for Playoff and more on Basketball-Reference.com

Nowhere near the top.

Erik J. Barzeski — ⛳ I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • Author, Lowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1

ChiTown Dedicated Member

ChiTown

34 minutes ago, iacas said:

Still no.

apple-touch-icon-228x228-precomposed.png

favicon-32.png NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Win Shares | Basketball-Reference.com

Checkout the complete list of NBA & ABACareer Leaders and Records for Playoff and more...
apple-touch-icon-228x228-precomposed.png

favicon-32.png NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Win Shares Per 48 Minutes | Basketball-Reference.com

Checkout the complete list of NBA & ABACareer Leaders and Records for Playoff and more...

Tops but not dominant by any stretch.

apple-touch-icon-228x228-precomposed.png

favicon-32.png NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Points Per Game | Basketball-Reference.com

Checkout the complete list of NBA & ABACareer Leaders and Records for Playoff and more...

Ditto.

apple-touch-icon-228x228-precomposed.png

favicon-32.png NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Assists Per Game | Basketball-Reference.com

Checkout the complete list of NBA & ABACareer Leaders and Records for Playoff and more...

Nowhere near the top.

Wow Erik. You guys are really tough on me. Really must not like Michael Jordan, the Bulls, Chicago, or me. I’ll stick with my opinion. Have a nice day 

Driver: :taylormade-small: Stealth2+

3W: :taylormade-small: Stealth2

4H: :taylormade-small: Stealth 2

Irons 4I-9I:  :titleist-small: T200

Wedges P, 48: :titleist-small: T200

Wedges 54, 58: :titleist-small: Vokey SM9

Putter:  :odyssey-small: O Works #1 Black


saevel25 Incredible Member

saevel25

33 minutes ago, ChiTown said:

Wow Erik. You guys are really tough on me. Really must not like Michael Jordan, the Bulls, Chicago, or me. I’ll stick with my opinion. Have a nice day 

I grew up a Bulls fan in the 90's. I loved watching him play. I think he's in the argument for greatest of all time. Probably the greatest non-center player of all time, at least top 3. 

You have it right, it's an opinion. We have our opinions on it. How about you grow some thicker skin and not get upset with someone not saying, "Yes, you are right." 

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: :titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1

mdl Great Member

mdl

39 minutes ago, ChiTown said:

Wow Erik. You guys are really tough on me. Really must not like Michael Jordan, the Bulls, Chicago, or me. I’ll stick with my opinion. Have a nice day 

Erik can be gruff but look at that Nadal-French Open table! Jordan would have to have like double win shares per finals game (filtered to folks with at least, say, 3 finals in their career) than 2nd place to even be able to start a conversation about whether it stacks up versus Nadal! I was growing up when Jordan was dominating and he was incredible but it was never like why bother watching the NBA playoffs because we already know the outcome like it has been with the French open for almost two decades!

Matt

Mid-Weight Heavy Putter
Cleveland Tour Action 60˚
Cleveland CG15 54˚
Nike Vapor Pro Combo, 4i-GW
Titleist 585h 19˚
Tour Edge Exotics XCG 15˚ 3 Wood
Taylormade R7 Quad 9.5˚

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1

klineka Super Member

klineka

1 hour ago, ChiTown said:

Wow Erik. You guys are really tough on me. Really must not like Michael Jordan, the Bulls, Chicago, or me. I’ll stick with my opinion. Have a nice day 

25 minutes ago, mdl said:

Erik can be gruff 

How is someone pointing out facts to disprove your position "really tough" or "gruff" ?

@ChiTown You made the claim, now back it up with facts.

 

Driver: :callaway: Rogue Max ST LS
Woods:  :cobra: Darkspeed LS 3Wood
Irons: :titleist: U505 (3)  :tmade: P770 (4-PW)
Wedges: :callaway: MD3 50   :titleist: SM9 54/58  
Putter: :tmade: Spider X

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1
1
1
1

  • Administrator
iacas Hall of Fame Member

iacas

  • Administrator
1 hour ago, ChiTown said:

Wow Erik. You guys are really tough on me. Really must not like Michael Jordan, the Bulls, Chicago, or me. I’ll stick with my opinion. Have a nice day 

I linked to a few things and disagree with your stance on a very, very narrow topic.

It has nothing to do with liking you, the Bulls, or Michael Jordan. Truth is, I don't really care about basketball, but if I was a fan of a team in the 90s, it was Jordan and the Bulls. I've watched the movie "Air" three times. Etc.

Grow a thicker skin man — nothing was done to you. I simply don't agree with your opinion here, and don't think you can make a case. I think your Chicago bias is showing, as I said initially.

1 hour ago, saevel25 said:

I grew up a Bulls fan in the 90's. I loved watching him play. I think he's in the argument for greatest of all time. Probably the greatest non-center player of all time, at least top 3.

I'm on board with that too.

1 hour ago, saevel25 said:

You have it right, it's an opinion. We have our opinions on it. How about you grow some thicker skin and not get upset with someone not saying, "Yes, you are right." 

👍🏼

Seriously, @ChiTown, it has nothing to do with you as a person. Jeez.

1 hour ago, mdl said:

Erik can be gruff

Sure, but this isn't that.

1 hour ago, mdl said:

Jordan would have to have like double win shares per finals game (filtered to folks with at least, say, 3 finals in their career) than 2nd place to even be able to start a conversation about whether it stacks up versus Nadal! I was growing up when Jordan was dominating and he was incredible but it was never like why bother watching the NBA playoffs because we already know the outcome like it has been with the French open for almost two decades!

Indeed. Nadal French Open >>> Jordan playoffs.

Erik J. Barzeski — ⛳ I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • Author, Lowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1

ChetlovesMer Incredible Member

ChetlovesMer

Okay, Michael Phelps had a pretty good 12 year run in the Olympics. If you look at the 200 meter individual medley he won that in the Olympics or World Championships like every year from 2002 until 2016. 

I'm pretty sure Bonnie Blair had a similar run winning World Championships and Olympics in the 500 and 1000 meters speed skating from like 1988 to 1995.

 

Michael Jordan did dominate shoe sales and endorsements from 1985 to 1998

My bag is an ever-changing combination of clubs. 

A mix I am forever tinkering with. 

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1
1
1
1

  • Administrator
iacas Hall of Fame Member

iacas

  • Administrator
54 minutes ago, ChetlovesMer said:

Michael Jordan did dominate shoe sales and endorsements from 1985 to 1998

Yep. Not an event, though. 😉 

  • Funny 1

Erik J. Barzeski — ⛳ I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • Author, Lowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1

Ty_Webb Great Member

Ty_Webb

How about Phil "The Power" Taylor? 

640px-Phil_Taylor_%28cropped%29.jpg

His world championship's record is pretty similar to Nadal's in the French Open. He won more, but lost a few finals that Nadal never did. 

Also something something time at peak something something. (Nadal's longevity in a game like tennis is pretty incredible)

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1
1
1
1

dennyjones Incredible Member

dennyjones

I like the Michael Jordan argument but agree it's not the same.   I like the Michael Phelps argument but it's not the same.   Katie Ledecky would be a closer comparison to Nadal.  

From the land of perpetual cloudiness.   I'm Denny

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1
1
1

  • 4 months later...
StKildaSenators Member

StKildaSenators

This is getting into "what is an isn't a sport" territory, but Raymond Ceulemans absolutely dominated 3 cushion carom billiards. 

He won 21 world championships, 19 of them coming between 1963 and 1985. On top of that he also won 3 silver and 4 bronze. His first gold came in 1963, and his last in 2001. 

Golf in the summer, curl in the winter.


Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up

  • TST Partners

    TourStriker PlaneMate
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FitForGolf
    FlightScope Mevo
    Direct: Mevo, Mevo+, and Pro Package.

    Coupon Codes (save 10-20%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack/FitForGolf, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope. 15% off TourStriker (no code).

  • Posts

    • DeadMan
      "5 Minutes Daily" Practice Challenge

      By DeadMan ·

      Day 126: another busy day, so just did some mirror work. Checking set up and backswing and working on a few downswing feels. 
    • DaHolla
      "5 Minutes Daily" Practice Challenge

      By DaHolla ·

      Day 310 - Working on my follow-through. Higher chest, belt towards the target. Small swings at first, building to a fuller swing (still not thrilled with my short backswing).
    • WillieT
      "5 Minutes Daily" Practice Challenge

      By WillieT ·

      Day 201 (19 Nov 24) - Walked the back nine at Minnesott today, played the “white” tees with the persimmon woods and bladed irons.  It’s a challenge I really like as the clubs are shorter in overall distances.  It really forces me focus on the value of the approach game.     Somehow yesterday’s post did not load / so it’s above.  Today (Day 202) I did some backyard short yardage work - 7i dink  and rolls, 9i chips and 50deg pitches - working to get it in before the rain started around noon. 
    • iacas
      "5 Minutes Daily" Practice Challenge

      By iacas ·

      Day 51 - 2024-11-20 Played nine holes of Sanctuary Moon with a 6I while pausing in the backswing and otherwise just practicing. If you're into Star Wars, or don't actively hate it… this is worth checking out.
    • iacas
      The Films and Movies Thread

      By iacas ·

      Eh. Nah. To quote someone else:
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

  I accept
The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...