Angel Cabrera to Serve 2 Year Sentence for Assault

[phillyk]

Golfer Angel Cabrera sentenced to 2 years in prison for assault against former partner

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Cabrera has been accused of assault by three different former partners.

 

I wonder if this will impact his future participation in the Masters if he wanted to play. 

[boogielicious]

6 hours ago, phillyk said:

Golfer Angel Cabrera sentenced to 2 years in prison for assault against former partner

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Cabrera has been accused of assault by three different former partners.

 

I wonder if this will impact his future participation in the Masters if he wanted to play. 

I hope he doesn’t get to play it again. Assault on women is reprehensible.

[ncates00]

2 hours ago, boogielicious said:

I hope he doesn’t get to play it again. Assault on women is reprehensible.

True, but what does that have to do with his golf career? If he serves his sentence, he has been been adequately legally punished. 

[Vinsk]

5 hours ago, boogielicious said:

I hope he doesn’t get to play it again. Assault on women is reprehensible.

Isn’t Thornjbord (sp?) back to playing?

[boogielicious]

3 hours ago, ncates00 said:

True, but what does that have to do with his golf career? If he serves his sentence, he has been been adequately legally punished. 

 

1 hour ago, Vinsk said:

Isn’t Thornjbord (sp?) back to playing?

Gary Player’s son is banned for life for showcasing golf balls. Gary McCord is banned for comparing the greens to bikini waxing. I think the Masters will not invite him back.

[Vinsk]

15 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

 

Gary Player’s son is banned for life for showcasing golf balls. Gary McCord is banned for comparing the greens to bikini waxing. I think the Masters will not invite him back.

I agree with you. I just thought I saw Olsen Thjorborn or whatever his name on a leaderboard last week. Never read what became of his airplane incident.

[ncates00]

17 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

 

Gary Player’s son is banned for life for showcasing golf balls. Gary McCord is banned for comparing the greens to bikini waxing. I think the Masters will not invite him back.

Both of those instances directly relate to conduct on the golf course though. 

[boogielicious]

2 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

I agree with you. I just thought I saw Olsen Thjorborn or whatever his name on a leaderboard last week. Never read what became of his airplane incident.

 

Just now, ncates00 said:

Both of those instances directly relate to conduct on the golf course though. 

Augusta just started allowing women members in the last few years. I don’t think they want to allow a wife beater and convicted felon to play just ‘cuz he served his time.

[caniac6]

I think Augusta is very protective of there image, and even though other golfers have had off course issues, they will say no to Cabrera.

[ncates00]

1 hour ago, boogielicious said:

 

Augusta just started allowing women members in the last few years. I don’t think they want to allow a wife beater and convicted felon to play just ‘cuz he served his time.

Yeah, I get your point. I agree. I guess I'm coming at it from a different angle: we talk about prison reform and rehabilitation all the time as social goals, but when situations like this come up, it appears that we don't really mean it. This incident here is a perfect example: Cabrera certainly did wrong (legally and morally), yet we are quick to "cancel" people without a road to forgiveness. I dunno. Just food for thought. I know he's no young person with a poor lot in life, who made one really bad decision that screwed up his life, but I just think if a legal remedy is adequate, we should consider letting it be enough. On the other hand, though, I also see another's right to not want to associate with someone for those same wrongs, even if he did "do the crime and do the time." I dunno; it's a tough balancing act.

I also realize that folks get fired from their jobs all the time if they are convicted of a felony. Although not getting an invitation would not be the end of his career, it could end up being a Ray Rice situation where no one wants to deal with him any more. 

[boogielicious]

20 minutes ago, ncates00 said:

Yeah, I get your point. I agree. I guess I'm coming at it from a different angle: we talk about prison reform and rehabilitation all the time as social goals, but when situations like this come up, it appears that we don't really mean it. This incident here is a perfect example: Cabrera certainly did wrong (legally and morally), yet we are quick to "cancel" people without a road to forgiveness. I dunno. Just food for thought. I know he's no young person with a poor lot in life, who made one really bad decision that screwed up his life, but I just think if a legal remedy is adequate, we should consider letting it be enough. On the other hand, though, I also see another's right to not want to associate with someone for those same wrongs, even if he did "do the crime and do the time." I dunno; it's a tough balancing act.

I also realize that folks get fired from their jobs all the time if they are convicted of a felony. Although not getting an invitation would not be the end of his career, it could end up being a Ray Rice situation where no one wants to deal with him any more. 

There are other women who say he did the same to him. So there is a pattern. He should have consequences for his actions.

[ncates00]

6 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

consequences

Isn't that what happened when he was prosecuted and sentenced?

Or is that not enough?

Edited July 8, 2021 by ncates00

[boogielicious]

Just now, ncates00 said:

Isn't that what happened when he was prosecuted and charged?

Cabrera’s ex-wife, Silva Rivadero, and another former partner, Micaela Escudero, have accused Cabrera of assault as well. Prosecutors reportedly indicated Cabrera could face even more charges down the line:

“His situation is much more complex than this, he has other charges for which there are arrest warrants too. There are other victims,” prosecutor Laura Battistelli told TV channel Todo Noticias.

 

[ncates00]

Just now, boogielicious said:

Cabrera’s ex-wife, Silva Rivadero, and another former partner, Micaela Escudero, have accused Cabrera of assault as well. Prosecutors reportedly indicated Cabrera could face even more charges down the line:

“His situation is much more complex than this, he has other charges for which there are arrest warrants too. There are other victims,” prosecutor Laura Battistelli told TV channel Todo Noticias.

 

Yeah, I saw that. I'm just asking the question of when will it be enough? Let's assume for sake of argument, that he is charged and sentenced for all applicable allegations against him, and he serves his time. What then? Is it not enough that he pay for his wrongdoing via the legal system? Must he also pay when he is out of incarceration? So much for the rehabilitative part of prison...

[DaveP043]

11 minutes ago, ncates00 said:

Yeah, I saw that. I'm just asking the question of when will it be enough? Let's assume for sake of argument, that he is charged and sentenced for all applicable allegations against him, and he serves his time. What then? Is it not enough that he pay for his wrongdoing via the legal system? Must he also pay when he is out of incarceration? So much for the rehabilitative part of prison...

I think these are fair questions to ask, and I don't get the impression that anyone is defending Cabrera in any way.  But as far as I can find out, the Masters doesn't have a "morality clause", for want of a better term, in their listing of which players will get invites to the tournament.  There's no question that the Masters can do whatever they want, they can revise the list for next year's tournament right now.  Considering that Cabrera could be out of jail in a few years, does the lifetime invitation for past champions still apply?  Is there some additional time after his release during which he would still be "banned"?  Would the Masters need to define a list of offenses which would disqualify a player?  Is there ever a point where a player has committed a crime and served his punishment, and can resume "normal life"?  I just think its something that requires much more thought than simply saying "He's out for life."

[ncates00]

28 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

and I don't get the impression that anyone is defending Cabrera in any way. 

Exactly, thank you. I am certainly not. I think @boogielicious knows that too, but thank you for making that expressly clear. The conduct is abhorrent; I’m just thinking out loud with you guys. 

[boogielicious]

41 minutes ago, ncates00 said:

Exactly, thank you. I am certainly not. I think @boogielicious knows that too, but thank you for making that expressly clear. The conduct is abhorrent; I’m just thinking out loud with you guys. 

It is an interesting question though. Let’s say it was possession of cocaine instead of battery. We and The Masters may look at that differently. But what if it was selling drugs? The argument of the beard comes to mind. Where is the line drawn?

In this case, he may not even be able to travel to the US as a convicted felon. I don’t know immigration law, but aren’t these things factored in?

[Shorty]

8 hours ago, ncates00 said:

True, but what does that have to do with his golf career? If he serves his sentence, he has been been adequately legally punished. 

Hypothetically, if a murderer or rapist served their sentence and then wanted to play do you think that that attitude would be reasonable? Those crimes have nothing to do with golf. We're talking about assaulting women, not ignoring parking fines.

The "he's served his time" argument only holds up for misdemeanours, not criminal - especially violent - behaviour.

Would you employ an ex thug to mind your business? Would you say, "Yeah, he assaulted people but my business has nothing to do with that"?

Edited July 8, 2021 by Shorty