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[saevel25]

If that is the case, then Richard Sherman has given probably the best reason to ban what the Eagles have been doing on their short yardage plays. If they are good at it, then get better at stopping it. I am all for rules that are consistent between offense and defense if there is a safety issue, and if the situations are that similar. 

 

[iacas]

A center’s neck isn’t as exposed as a long snapper’s and he’s not as defenseless.

[klineka]

I'm surprised more teams aren't doing it honestly. Seems like a very very high percentage way to get a yard or two.

[mcanadiens]

The bit of it that really surprises me is that nobody else seems to have really been effective doing it. From what I understand, it isn't from a lack of trying either. Gotta give the Eagles some credit. 

But, these Philly people can get right out of town with this "Brotherly Shove" nonsense. I'm not ever calling it that and will fight anyone who does. 

 

[saevel25]

I wonder why no one ever tried this before. Why not have one of your most dynamic players be the holder for PAT or FG? On normal plays, they can't be touched. So, there is no real concern for injury. Yet now the defense has to respect that he could pull it and go. Does this keep the defense from selling out on the edge to block FGs? I think this is pretty much a no brainer. They typically have great hands. It seems like a pretty simple skill to learn. 

[StuM]

The Raiders fire their coach & GM then bench their $67.5 mill QB in favor of a rookie QB. All within 48 hours of losing to the Lions.

I guess losing to Detroit on Monday Night is just too hard for teams to handle.

 

Edited November 2, 2023 by StuM

[boogielicious]

11 hours ago, StuM said:

The Raiders fire their coach & GM then bench their $67.5 mill QB in favor of a rookie QB. All within 48 hours of losing to the Lions.

I guess losing to Detroit on Monday Night is just too hard for teams to handle.

 

The Davis family are incredibly impatient. That’s why they keep losing. Who would want to coach for them?

[Beastie]

12 hours ago, boogielicious said:

The Davis family are incredibly impatient. That’s why they keep losing. Who would want to coach for them?

Just win Baby! 
 

I first started watching the NFL in the eighties when it first came to UK tv, and finally I went to the Titans-Ravens game at London a couple of weeks ago for my first NFL game. The Tottenham stadium is fantastic, the atmosphere was great despite the game being only of average quality. The Titans were poor and Tannehill especially. Lamar was close to being good, so it was no surprise the Ravens are improving. 

[iacas]

Ha ha ha:

The video is over 2:15 (and that's HOURS and MINUTES) long.

[saevel25]

Except for three seasons where he had some injuries, in the 7 seasons where he started at least 13 games. He averaged 94 receptions, 1106 yards, and 6.3 TD's a season. He is on pace to add another one of those seasons this year. On pace for a HOF career? If he plays for 5 more years. He only needs to average 875 yards to end up 7th all time in receiving yards. Maybe top 20 in TD's. 

 

[iacas]

Curious what people think of this Kazee hit.

Real speed:

Slowed down:

I'll save what I think for later on.

[boogielicious]

I think it was a bad call. The defender was going towards his legs and the receiver dove down. He wasn’t head hunting. I saw it live. I wanted them to show the replay but they didn’t.

[iacas]

4 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

I wanted them to show the replay but they didn’t.

You're right about that: they didn't show the replay.

[saevel25]

7 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

I think it was a bad call. The defender was going towards his legs and the receiver dove down. He wasn’t head hunting.

I say this statement with out having to play a sport trying to move at 4.5 sec 40 speed. With that said, 

If the guy is off his feet, well before (at least 4 yards of difference), why are you lowering your shoulder to dive at their legs which are not even on the ground anymore.  Come on, I am going to say he was not going at his legs. He was lowering his shoulder for a big hit. 

 

This is the image where I am like, WTF are you doing! Saying he is going for the legs is BS. He is just trying to hit a guy. The worst part is, he endangers himself by lower his helmet. 

Like, are you even looking at where you are hitting. If you kept your head up instead of trying to spear a guy, who is not defenseless because he has no way to protect himself is just crap technique and bad football. LOOK at this! Just stupid play by the defender. 

I know this is a violent sport, but to put yourself in danger to lay down a big hit. Sorry, this is just bush league BS. Sorry, anyone who wants to say otherwise, I don't care. I am not going to argue it. I am not going to be swayed the other way. You will not change my opinion on it. There is no FACT here. It is all opinion, and my opinion will be opposite of many people. You can love this crap and cheer on a huge hit. I for one think this play is dangerous on both the defender and WR. It is stupid for a defender to endanger himself to lay down a big hit. Imagine if the defender went motionless because he broke his neck. He didn't have to make this hit. I've seen plenty of players pull up. He decided not to. 

[iacas]

50 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

I say this statement with out having to play a sport trying to move at 4.5 sec 40 speed. With that said, 

If the guy is off his feet, well before (at least 4 yards of difference)

How about defining it in terms of time rather than yardage, especially when two players running 15-20 MPH are headed toward each other (@ 35 MPH, it takes 0.2329 seconds).

Or…

Still on his feet to just leaving his feet (13 frames, 60 FPS = .22 seconds)

and just leaving his feet to being hit (another 0.22 seconds).

 

In other words, from when the receiver is on his feet to when he's actually being contacted is under half a second. If you can react like that, with your entire body, I don't know what kind of freak you are, but you're not Kazee.

58 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

why are you lowering your shoulder to dive at their legs

Because that's how you tackle a guy.

58 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

…which are not even on the ground anymore.

Yeah, about 0.22 seconds before he makes contact, they left the ground. Yep. 😛 

 

58 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

This is the image where I am like, WTF are you doing! Saying he is going for the legs is BS. He is just trying to hit a guy. The worst part is, he endangers himself by lower his helmet. 

If the receiver was upright, he'd be hitting him around the waist, @saevel25.

58 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Like, are you even looking at where you are hitting. If you kept your head up instead of trying to spear a guy, who is not defenseless because he has no way to protect himself is just crap technique and bad football. LOOK at this! Just stupid play by the defender.

Odd then that he hit the guy with his shoulder, isn't it? Even with the QB and the receiver opting to make himself defenseless?

58 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

I am not going to argue it. I am not going to be swayed the other way.

I'd love to see what you can do in 0.44 seconds.

58 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

There is no FACT here.

Facts:

• < 0.5 seconds.
• Would have hit him in the hips/waist area.
• Hit first with the shoulder, not the helmet.
• Your head is above your shoulders.

58 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Imagine if the defender went motionless because he broke his neck.

We don't have to imagine it — it basically happened to Ryan Shazier.

Kazee went low.

But I guess, despite a lifetime of being taught to hit the guy, and perhaps break up the throw, in < 0.5 seconds, he was supposed to instead decide to not only let the guy catch the ball, but to just sidestep (teleport?) somehow and tap him as he fell to the ground.

[iacas]

Mike Mitchell is a former player and… currently on the Colts' coaching staff as an assistant secondary coach.

[GolfLug]

It's a bit naive to place all blame on the defender. QB a bit bone headed to throw the ball towards jail.

There are views on Youtube that show Kazee clearly lowering his shoulder AFTER Pittman was airborne. For better or for worse, they just won't allow these type of plays anymore. Ejection def bit over the top. I somewhat get why people are thinking NFL is headed towards flag football.

[mcanadiens]

1 hour ago, GolfLug said:

Ejection def bit over the top.

Not only that. They suspended him for the rest of the season.  I guess there is a track record on him. Guy is appealing it.

As a clumsy oaf that used to try to play hockey, I'm not sure what you wanted the man to do there. @iacas's quote from Mike Mitchell sums it up pretty well. The player was trying to make a play as he had been taught and it, unfortunately, turned out bad. Seen dozens of similar things in hockey where a guy intends to make a clean hit and things go wrong in fractions of a second. 

The leagues are wise to try to protect players from serious injury, but there is always going to be these difficulties when games are inherently built on hard physical contact.