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Master "Forged vs. Cast" or "Blade vs. Game-Improvement" Iron Thread

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They feel better than AP2's. That is my perspective.

That suck the AP'S are way sexier.

Maybe. But they aren't sexier than just about anything else Mizuno makes. I'll take anything in the MP line over the AP2's.

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Here's my next set of irons. They're real butter knives. But seriously, here, what are these: Musclebacks? Yes, I'd say so. Cavity backs? No. Blades? Nope. (

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I always found AP's ugly

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geauxforbroke Great Member

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I always found AP's ugly

I think they're very blocky looking, like Lego golf clubs.

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Are any of the mp's built for a 10-15 handicapper?
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Probably MP 54, they have progressive cavity backs

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geauxforbroke Great Member

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Probably MP 54, they have progressive cavity backs

Yep. The MP H4's and MP 59's are also appropriate for low to mid handicappers, according to the Mizuno website.

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I think they're very blocky looking, like Lego golf clubs.

I beg your pardon??  Are you suggesting that Lego golf clubs wouldn't be awesome?!?!?!  Maybe Duplo clubs would suck, but regular Lego clubs would kick ass!!!

The 59's are gorgeous.

I don't know.  I mean, I wouldn't kick them out of bed for eating potato chips, but I think (based on their website because I'm no Mizuno expert) that they are the least sexy of all of the current MP line.

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I beg your pardon??  Are you suggesting that Lego golf clubs wouldn't be awesome?!?!?!  Maybe Duplo clubs would suck, but regular Lego clubs would kick ass!!!

I don't know.  I mean, I wouldn't kick them out of bed for eating potato chips, but I think (based on their website because I'm no Mizuno expert) that they are the least sexy of all of the current MP line.

Honestly the images don't look as good as they do in person.

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Yonex had an interesting blade design at the PGA Show that included a pocket of titanium inside the the muscle of the forged head. Since titanium is lighter than steel, this to some extent emulates the effect of a cavity back by biasing the weight distribution more to the perimeter of the club head. They were dead sexy, too.

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Yonex had an interesting blade design at the PGA Show that included a pocket of titanium inside the the muscle of the forged head. Since titanium is lighter than steel, this to some extent emulates the effect of a cavity back by biasing the weight distribution more to the perimeter of the club head. They were dead sexy, too. [URL=http://thesandtrap.com/content/type/61/id/91140/] [/URL] [URL=http://thesandtrap.com/content/type/61/id/91141/] [/URL]

Hella shex-shay...

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Yeah, it's the same principle as the MP-59s. But getting the Ti plug inside the blade is pretty darn cool.

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Jakester23 Great Member

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So how good as far as handicap should someone be before they switch from SGI's to players irons or GI's? Then from there how much better do they have to be to switch to blades?
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So how good as far as handicap should someone be before they switch from SGI's to players irons or GI's? Then from there how much better do they have to be to switch to blades?

There is no direct correlation between handicap and what irons you should play. It's all about ball striking, and more specifically, consistency in ball striking. But there's a reason that a lot of pros are playing cavity back/perimeter weighted irons. For me, I don't necessarily find muscle backs harder to hit than smaller cavity backs (think MP-69 vs MP-64). The main difference I see is in trajectory.

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So what are you playing? How much different would you say it would be to go from a G series irons to mp series?
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Yonex had an interesting blade design at the PGA Show that included a pocket of titanium inside the the muscle of the forged head. Since titanium is lighter than steel, this to some extent emulates the effect of a cavity back by biasing the weight distribution more to the perimeter of the club head. They were dead sexy, too.

I'm not understanding this.  (Because, for one, I'm not a metallurgist ;))  I thought that "forged" meant that it was basically "molded" from a solid chunk of metal.  How, exactly, do they get the titanium inside of a solid chunk of metal?

It must involve those guys who build old ships inside of tiny bottles, right?  Or the guy at Disneyland that sells you balloons that are inside of other balloons. :)

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Yeah, I'm going to have to go with "no ****ing idea." :-)

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I'm not understanding this.  (Because, for one, I'm not a metallurgist ;))  I thought that "forged" meant that it was basically "molded" from a solid chunk of metal.  How, exactly, do they get the titanium inside of a solid chunk of metal?

It must involve those guys who build old ships inside of tiny bottles, right?  Or the guy at Disneyland that sells you balloons that are inside of other balloons. :)

Yes, it can be from 1 chunk of metal. But I think forged basically means pounded and shaped. Casted means the metal was liquefied and then poured into a mold. What they probably do is heat the steel to high temps to make it workable. Then they put the titanium inside and bend half of the metal over, then pound it so it becomes a club. This way the Titanium is inside the metal. So basically the steel is folded over the titanium.

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