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The Stack and Tilt Golf Swing

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4 minutes ago, Antneye said:

Not yet, but from my research it seems that the 5sk stuff kind of builds on some of these concepts so I figure its not a bad place to start ($10 on Amazon) and then I can go deeper if I like what I am seeing.  At minimum it doesn't seem like it can hurt.  I'm not ready to jump into a more expensive program just yet.

5sk has much more simple concepts to me. And it's not necessarily more expensive as the information can be found here. 5sk is basically the 5 top fundamentals that every good player has. In my opinion, I would take a look at these before the SnT. Check out this link:

Tons of info there.

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Just now, TN94z said:

5sk has much more simple concepts to me. And it's not necessarily more expensive as the information can be found here for free. 5sk is basically the 5 top fundamentals that every good player has. In my opinion, I would take a look at these before the SnT. Check out this link:

 

Tons of info there.

Thanks!  I will check this out as well.

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4 hours ago, Antneye said:

I just bough the book and am hoping to see what I can integrate into my swing.  I have really struggled in the past year and my handicap is not moving forward at all.

As someone who has done both, IMO Five Simple Keys is significantly better. And 5SK instructors are much more qualified to help you than a Stack and Tilt Guy is. I'd look into a lesson with a 5SK guy, and wouldn't waste my money on a S&T guy. Just my opinion, and I hope that helps.

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16 hours ago, JetFan1983 said:

As someone who has done both, IMO Five Simple Keys is significantly better. And 5SK instructors are much more qualified to help you than a Stack and Tilt Guy is. I'd look into a lesson with a 5SK guy, and wouldn't waste my money on a S&T guy. Just my opinion, and I hope that helps.

@Antneye

I agree with this. I started with S&T and read the book, got the videos and practiced it. Then I took a clinic with Dave W. and Erik, who were sort of affiliated with S&T at the time, and they taught more along the 5SK line of thinking. They eventually developed 5SK.

S&T has kind of morphed into a very specific swing pattern. Whereas, 5SK is not a swing pattern, but the commonalities that all good swings have. 5SK teachers work with your swing to improve it so you can become proficient at the 5 Simple Keys and play better golf.

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20 hours ago, JetFan1983 said:

As someone who has done both, IMO Five Simple Keys is significantly better. And 5SK instructors are much more qualified to help you than a Stack and Tilt Guy is. I'd look into a lesson with a 5SK guy, and wouldn't waste my money on a S&T guy. Just my opinion, and I hope that helps.

IMO, I think saying that a 5SK instructor is "much more qualified" then a S&T is an over generalization. This is nothing against 5SK's approach. There are great S&T instructors and I'm sure there are bad S&T instructors. If you go down the S&T route you have to find someone that has a good reputation and who you'll work well with. I think the issue is that some S&T instructors get too caught up on teaching the swing in one way and become rigid about what they're teaching. I've worked with S&T instructors who are not rigid. You can try to learn S&T from a book and the videos, but unless you're incredibly talent, I think it's a waste of time. You really need a good instructor. 

 

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3 hours ago, scopek said:

IMO, I think saying that a 5SK instructor is "much more qualified" then a S&T is an over generalization. This is nothing against 5SK's approach. There are great S&T instructors and I'm sure there are bad S&T instructors. If you go down the S&T route you have to find someone that has a good reputation and who you'll work well with. I think the issue is that some S&T instructors get too caught up on teaching the swing in one way and become rigid about what they're teaching. I've worked with S&T instructors who are not rigid. You can try to learn S&T from a book and the videos, but unless you're incredibly talent, I think it's a waste of time. You really need a good instructor. 

 

Actually no, they're ****ing terrible.

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I am not sure I should post this here or start a new thread called "your authentic swing".   I was watching a LPGA tournament the other day and Judy Rankin was discussing Inbee Park's swing.  Her comment was, paraphrased here, find a swing that works for you and learn how to repeat it.  I like this advice, perhaps controversial but since we are all individuals it would seem to make sense.  I have seen a lot of non classical swings over the years by some pretty good golfers and believe Ms. Rankin has a good point.  Seems to me It is all about how to achieve the correct impact conditions. 

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3 hours ago, scopek said:

IMO, I think saying that a 5SK instructor is "much more qualified" then a S&T is an over generalization.

I don't think so.

S&T instructors, by and large, know ONE way to do things. They get a bunch of things wrong. They try to solve things the wrong way, and it's a pattern that's evident among many of them: there are a number of times when "shoulder more down" or "hands more in" are prescribed when they shouldn't be.

Though S&T purport to know how the spine works in three dimensions… they get it wrong ALL THE TIME. They think the spine extends and side tilts some 35° each. They're wrong.

5SK instructors understand better how the spine works, and they're not teaching ONE swing.

Are there exceptions in both directions on both sides? Yes. Generally speaking, though, I'd avoid S&T instructors. They willfully ignore facts.

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On 4/21/2017 at 2:19 PM, iacas said:

I don't think so.

S&T instructors, by and large, know ONE way to do things. They get a bunch of things wrong. They try to solve things the wrong way, and it's a pattern that's evident among many of them: there are a number of times when "shoulder more down" or "hands more in" are prescribed when they shouldn't be.

Though S&T purport to know how the spine works in three dimensions… they get it wrong ALL THE TIME. They think the spine extends and side tilts some 35° each. They're wrong.

5SK instructors understand better how the spine works, and they're not teaching ONE swing.

Are there exceptions in both directions on both sides? Yes. Generally speaking, though, I'd avoid S&T instructors. They willfully ignore facts.

But don't you conceptually agree with the swing laid out in the book even if there are better instructional methods available?  I have not read this whole thread, but in the beginning you seemed to be highly supportive of this.  Can you provide a cliff notes overview of your stance in this thread?  

 

BTW....I've been looking at a lot of your 5sK content and think it is very good.

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On 4/24/2017 at 9:56 AM, Antneye said:

But don't you conceptually agree with the swing laid out in the book even if there are better instructional methods available?  I have not read this whole thread, but in the beginning you seemed to be highly supportive of this.  Can you provide a cliff notes overview of your stance in this thread?

Yes, the S&T swing, done properly as written in the book, achieves all 5 Keys.

They get a few things wrong (the pressure shifts to the back foot, the spine doesn't bend or extend 35°, etc.) but the motion demonstrated achieves the keys.

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7 hours ago, iacas said:

Yes, the S&T swing, done properly as written in the book, achieves all 5 Keys.

They get a few things wrong (the pressure shifts to the back foot, the spine doesn't bend or extend 35°, etc.) but the motion demonstrated achieves the keys.

Thanks, I appreciate the clarification. 

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