The Stack and Tilt Golf Swing

[iacas]

Quick question to get a better understanding:

The top of the cone is roughly even with the middle of your knee joint. You'll want to start with it further back (towards your butt, left in a DTL view) and then progressively push it forward until it's even with your knee joint.

Basically, you want the top of the cone at the proper hand and clubhead depth for P2.

[Stretch]

On the simulator I now got a 6-7° launch angle with a 10.5º driver vs 15-20º before. It doesn't factor backspin too well, but It'll be interesting to see how that shot works out in the real world.

Richie 3Jack had a nice post the other day about Trackman data and swing characteristics with the driver.

http://3jack.blogspot.com/2010/09/tr...sis-91310.html

[CalBoomer]

I have been working on SnT with my irons (big improvement) and driver (some improvement). Is it my imagination or does SnT significantly inhibit hooking? When I am emphasizing weight on my left leg, it feels very difficult to be able to close the clubface at contact--which I consider a good thing. Most of the time my flight is straight or slight push/fade and only rarely a mild draw. No bad hooks. So I aim my flight "cone" dead straight or very slightly left.

[alomar123]

Ok, I have gone full blown S&T as I just feel that I am hitting more proper swings with more consistency. I have my hands deep and on or below the swing plane, but I am having trouble getting the club shaft on or below plane. I think it is due to trying to deepen my hands, it is harder to rotate my forearms clockwise. I haven't videotaped my swing, but it feels on a full swing that the club is parallel or even titled towards the target line(even though it probably isn't). Any tips on keeping the shaft on plane with the hands? I am also having a hard time with keeping my head still, but I know that will take a while to accomplish.

[Stretch]

You are probably taking the club head to the inside too quickly on the takeaway now that you are focusing on getting your hands deeper. This is a particular problem of mine, too, and definitely has the effect of making it hard to return on plane.

Take a look at this analysis that Zeph posted a while ago.

[iacas]

I haven't videotaped my swing, but it

Let's see the video before we make guesses based on feel.

[RubxQub]

So after doing some reading on "swing vs hit" methods, I was curious if S&T applies to both, or if the general pattern prescribes a swing and not a hit.

Before I started adopting the S&T principles, I was very much a hitter, and I can't help but think that I'm still trying to hit instead of swing. While I keep my left arm as straight as I can at the top and through the downswing, I mainly use my left arm to control the hand path, and use my right arm to push the club through that path (I hope I'm saying that right...)

Should I be trying to swing (pulling the club with my left arm) instead of hit (pushing the club with my right arm), or are both acceptable as long as you're doing the same motions?

[Stretch]

Only know this because I once asked the same question, but Bennett and Plummer say S&T is a little of both, with slightly more "hitter" than "swinger".

[RubxQub]

Only know this because I once asked the same question, but Bennett and Plummer say S&T is a little of both, with slightly more "hitter" than "swinger".

I find this news equal parts comforting and confusing. :)

Did they go into a bit more detail about how each plays into the overall swing that you can recall, or is this specifically mentioned in their book somewhere that I could just reference? I initially read their book before I had this concept in my pocket so it's quite possible I missed something about this in particular in there.

[iacas]

Did they go into a bit more detail about how each plays into the overall swing that you can recall, or is this specifically mentioned in their book somewhere that I could just reference?

It's bound to be different in everyone, but the "model" itself may be 60/40 hitter/swinger or 65/35 or 55/45... but since nobody (NOBODY) does the exact model, your particular swing may be 40/60 or 80/20 or who knows...

[Stretch]

I do the exact model. Just badly.

[RubxQub]

It's bound to be different in everyone, but the "model" itself may be 60/40 hitter/swinger or 65/35 or 55/45... but since nobody (NOBODY) does the exact model, your particular swing may be 40/60 or 80/20 or who knows...

I guess the comforting news is that being 80/20 hitter/swinger isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Thanks gents.

[nevets88]

Question about P6.

Looking at videos, good players have their knees in line at P6 from the DTL view. It looks like the back knee is covering up the front knee.

My right knee (righty) kicks out, above my toes at P6. Is this too much or okay?

[iacas]

My right knee (righty) kicks out, above my toes at P6. Is this too much or okay?

Likely you need to bank your right foot in more and lengthen the knee. The right heel should never "pop" off the ground - at worst it should be pulled off the ground (like your leg is asleep and you're dragging it forward).

[nevets88]

Likely you need to bank your right foot in more and lengthen the knee. The right heel should never "pop" off the ground - at worst it should be pulled off the ground (like your leg is asleep and you're dragging it forward).

Thanks for the quick response. I'll try that.

[nevets88]

Another question. The more you bring the shoulders down, does it feel like you have to bring your hands deep more?

If I bring the shoulders more down, my swing plane gets steeper and I hit more towards the heel.

[Zeph]

I try to let my shoulder plane dictate the hand path. The more my shoulders rotate on plane (not flat), the deeper my hands get and on a better path.

If I rotate the shoulders on plane and do nothing else, the hands will be on the right path. It's if I lift or pull the arms behind me that things get iffy.

[iacas]

Another question. The more you bring the shoulders down, does it feel like you have to bring your hands deep more?

I'll get to your question in a bit, but why do you say "shoulders"? The lead shoulder goes down, out, and back while the trail shoulder goes up, back, and forward. Only one shoulder goes "down."

If I rotate the shoulders on plane and do nothing else, the hands will be on the right path. It's if I lift or pull the arms behind me that things get iffy.

Technically the opposite is true. If you rotate your shoulders perfectly flat, the plane dictates that the hands get the steepest. If you could somehow rotate your shoulders perfectly vertically, they'd never gain any depth.

But the thing is this: the flatter the shoulder turn the more the tendency is to lift. It's this compensating move which prevents the shoulders from getting deep.