"The Golfing Machine" by Homer Kelley

[iacas]

3 hours ago, nevets88 said:

Because it's incredibly technical and some of it is outdated. Many have stood on the shoulders of Kelley and corrected, updated and refined. 

Most that, @cutchemist42. It's outdated as heck and won't help a regular golfer at all.

[Jack Watson]

Very poor book

[iacas]

9 hours ago, Jack Watson said:

Very poor book

Thanks for your insight.

[Jack Watson]

On 3/16/2017 at 5:59 AM, iacas said:

Thanks for your insight.

Ok,  a little more detail on my opinion for this book.  I got a version several years ago and studied it quite a bit.  I catalogued my existing swings components.  I then studied and cross referenced to see what components of my swing might not match well when used together.

I did shoot down as low as 89 which for me at the time was an improvement.  I was using what TGM geeks would refer to as a three barrel hitting action.  I threw the book and all my notes on it away or I could probably be more specific.

Anyhoo,  the book is poorly organized and imo does not look like work of a truly qualified engineer.  Truly great engineers thrive on organization.  But I could live with poor organization if the information within had true Quality.

Homer never produced a great golfer.  TGM produced Clampett (flame out) and Erickson (wacko) who never won anything of note at the highest level.  Ogrady was revered for his striking talent but never made it big except as a driving range attraction AND did his own thing with Morad.

So imo the legacy lacks results but that's not my true point.  My true point can be reduced to a question.  If one views golfers as golfing machines as Homer did then what is the tolerance in the machine?

Everything that is manufactured to precision has a tolerance.  Parts made for your cars engine are made to tolerance,  maybe exacting tolerance but nonetheless there's tolerances.

what is the tolerance in the golf swing?

Maybe it's the size of the sweet spot.  So by definition if one uses this TGM approach every movement they train in must be made to exacting tolerances within say an eighth of on inch.

Do we think this is even possible?

Can you tell when you swing if your head dips fractions of inches thus causing fatsies?

whats are the tolerances in The Golfing Machine?

I ask that to any proponents of this methodology.

 

[Jack Watson]

To elaborate imo the golfing machine approach forces one to play a game Sisson calls 'blame a body part' i.e. On bad swings we have to guess was it our head dipping fractions of an inch or was it our hip motion or right elbow or arms.

This can go on ad infinitum.  IMO it's not the best way to approach the problems we face when playing golf.

 

[iacas]

It's not really like that at all.

TGM is just a cataloging of the parts of the golf swing. It's not a "How To" book and it has its flaws. But it's not total tripe. Plenty of great instructors have a background in TGM.

Also Bryson is a proponent. He won NCAAs and the US Am.

Basically, it was never really a book for golfers. It's outdated now, too.

[bryson]

Could anyone be so kind, and update pictures of it to the community? If anyone can contribute 5 minutes of your life and send me pictures of pages even taken by phone, then I could make a pdf of it.

[dennyjones]

1 hour ago, bryson said:

Could anyone be so kind, and update pictures of it to the community? If anyone can contribute 5 minutes of your life and send me pictures of pages even taken by phone, then I could make a pdf of it.

If the book is still in print, this could qualify as a copyright infringement.      

[bryson]

5 minutes ago, dennyjones said:

If the book is still in print, this could qualify as a copyright infringement.      

Is it? If I could order original version by Homer from Amazon, I would be happy to do so. Currently there is version 7.2 corrected by some other guy. Homer unfortunately is not here with us anymore. I am talking about old 6 version.

[iacas]

2 minutes ago, bryson said:

Is it? If I could order original version by Homer from Amazon, I would be happy to do so. Currently there is version 7.2 corrected by some other guy. Homer unfortunately is not here with us anymore. I am talking about old 6 version.

The Golfing Machine company still owns the rights.

Look for a version 6 on eBay.

[billchao]

2 hours ago, dennyjones said:

If the book is still in print, this could qualify as a copyright infringement.      

Copyright law is not dependent on publication.

[bryson]

ok, I understand you would never lend a book to a playing partner? if anyone does not mind sharing, I would appreciate a lot

[billchao]

4 minutes ago, bryson said:

ok, I understand you would never lend a book to a playing partner? if anyone does not mind sharing, I would appreciate a lot

Lending someone a book and photocopying it are two completely different things, not to mention the amount of time it would take to do what you asked.

[bryson]

18 minutes ago, billchao said:

Lending someone a book and photocopying it are two completely different things, not to mention the amount of time it would take to do what you asked.

I will spend 3 times the amount it took you to do it by walking with homeless dogs - so world profits by your effort.

If you walk every day by the rules set by other people - I am impressed. Though it is just my personal point of view, that owning copyrights over somebody who is dead is way wronger than making a photocopy of a book and sharing it (not selling) to another guy.

[iacas]

6 minutes ago, bryson said:

I will spend 3 times the amount it took you to do it by walking with homeless dogs - so world profits by your effort.

If you walk every day by the rules set by other people - I am impressed. Though it is just my personal point of view, that owning copyrights over somebody who is dead is way wronger than making a photocopy of a book and sharing it (not selling) to another guy.

It's literally illegal, AND someone still OWNS the rights to the book.

Just because an author dies doesn't mean his works become public domain immediately.

Go somewhere else, please, in search of someone who will break the law for you.

[dennyjones]

5 hours ago, billchao said:

Copyright law is not dependent on publication.

When do things become public domain?   I'm not experienced in copyright or patent law.

 

The answer to my question was easy to Google:

S - Copyright expires 70 years after author's death; but if the work is anonymous or made for hire, or the author or the author's death date is unknown,copyright expires on the earlier of 95 years after publication or 120 years after creation.

Edited May 16, 2019 by dennyjones