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play this shot? I was finishing on hole 9 Sunday and had a difficult shot and wanted to hear some ideas of how to handle it. It is a reachable par 5. I hit driver, 3 wood, and wound up left of the green in a little valley about 15 yards from the pin. The ground is packed there and the ball was sitting tight. There were some little yellow flowers (some kind of winter weed) against the back of my ball. The green is elevated slightly ( about 4 feet) above my ball and it slopes away from me. I pulled my 52 because of its low bounce and just tried to hit it firm and make sure I got on the green. I caught it a little too firm (err on the long side) and ran it past about 30 feet. Two putted for the par, but you hate to give up birdie that close to the hole after 2 shots.

Other than not hitting it in that spot, what would you have tried? It was too tight for a flop and the winter grass was patchy enough that I wasn't sure how my ball would run if I chipped it into the hill and tried to let it run out. What club do you use facing a shot like this?

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  rhodes81 said:
play this shot? I was finishing on hole 9 Sunday and had a difficult shot and wanted to hear some ideas of how to handle it. It is a reachable par 5. I hit driver, 3 wood, and wound up left of the green in a little valley about 15 yards from the pin. The ground is packed there and the ball was sitting tight. There were some little yellow flowers (some kind of winter weed) against the back of my ball. The green is elevated slightly ( about 4 feet) above my ball and it slopes away from me. I pulled my 52 because of its low bounce and just tried to hit it firm and make sure I got on the green. I caught it a little too firm (err on the long side) and ran it past about 30 feet. Two putted for the par, but you hate to give up birdie that close to the hole after 2 shots.

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Hmmmm, I can picture the exact shot you're talking about as one of the courses I play regularly has a spot you can end up in with pretty much the same specs. Only difference is this green is not running away from you.

I might take out my hybrid in this case and hit it like a putt. The ball will pop off the face and should run through the 15 yds of fairway or fringe fairly easily.. Try to hit it to the top of the slope and run out from there. A putt you might have to hit uncomfortably hard, while the hybrid gives you that feel and control of a putter with the extra little pop off the face you would get from a chip without fear of chunking it.

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From your sig it looks like you have room in the bag for one more club? Maybe buy a low bounce 60 degree wedge for situations like these. It's more of a specialty club, but it's nice to be able to set up normal (i.e. not have to hit a flop) and still get some height on the shot. Perfect for when you're short-sided with a tight lie.
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Hard to tell without seeing the situtation in real life, but it sounds like I would use my 58ΒΊ and chip it up.

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so you're saying downhill chip to an elevated green?

no lie is too thin for a flop! it's the only one I can hit every time lol. you just got to lean into it more and come down on it steeper so the bounce doesn't do as much. difficult shot to get good results.
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Open up my 56* and try to land it softly as possible, not a full on flop, but I'd want it with plenty of height.

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If its a tight lie like that, it depends. if its an elevated green, i would take the lob wedge and use the natural bounce and loft to get the ball up. If its near the same level, i would take a pitching or 9 iron and just do a nice bumb and run.

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I had practically an identical shot on Sunday on a par 3. I was in a valley... maybe 10 yards from the pin... to the left of the green. The surface was about 3 feet above me... my ball was sitting in a hard packed area to the highest side of a nearby drain. Green also ran away from me... but my ONLY shot was to bump it into the hill. I hit the shot... it skipped off the rough and died just on the green leaving me a 15 footer.

If I had tried to flop it, I'd have probably ended up over the back of the green. There really was no other option for me.

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  chilly said:
Open up my 56* and try to land it softly as possible, not a full on flop, but I'd want it with plenty of height.

+1 for me. But don't be too down on yourself because this is even difficult for the big boys. Except Phil of course. Actually difficult for him too, but he makes it look easy.

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how high was the rough, if it was very tight, did you think about putting it or using a 3-wood with a putting stroke.

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Flop may have been ideal, but you should NEVER play a shot you're not comfortable with. More than likely, you'd have chunked or skulled it.

I think you played it right, frankly, just didn't quite execute. You missed the proper way, long, and gave yourself a chance. Obviously you'd prefer to get it closer, but it was a tricky shot. Bet if you tried the exact shot again you'd pull it off.

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Not sure if I've visualized the shot properly, but if you are on a hardpan lie and hitting on a green elevated higher, it is possible to chip it into the bank of the slope and let it kick over the edge. Often see Tour players doing that.

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I utilize my flop shot every chance i get and this sounds like a perfect time to pull "Excaliber" from the bag and stick it like a lawn dart!

Of course I 4 putt from there but hey great flop shot (i'm at about 90% when it comes to my wedge game 90% very good 10% oh s**t!)..

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  Zeph said:
Not sure if I've visualized the shot properly, but if you are on a hardpan lie and hitting on a green elevated higher, it is possible to chip it into the bank of the slope and let it kick over the edge. Often see Tour players doing that.

This is the correct answer, IMHO. Flop shot is sexy, but it seems much too risky off of a tight lie. The chip into the bank requires similar "touch", but it doesn't sound like the green is so elevated that there's a risk of having the ball roll back to your feet. As such, I say use your 9i/PW/GW to pick the ball clean, land it so it bounces one time (or so) in the apron, then start rolling once it hits the dance floor. And err on the side of hitting it too hard, because even if you run it a little by the hole on a green that slopes away from you, at worst you'll have an uphill putt for birdie.

Hope this makes sense, and that I've visualized your shot accurately.

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  saevel25 said:
If its a tight lie like that, it depends. if its an elevated green, i would take the lob wedge and use the natural bounce and loft to get the ball up. If its near the same level, i would take a pitching or 9 iron and just do a nice bumb and run.

I'd go this route too - 56 or 60 depending on the lie in his example. Play it a little back in the stance since it doesn't appear he needs to fly a hazard - or maybe a putting stroke with a mid-iron or 5-wood depending on the size of those yellow flowers.

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With a tight lie and no rough in front of me, I would pull out the hybrid and roll it up there.
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