How many years since Vokey wedges stoped being forged?

[wrx_junki]

Beat me to it.... what ^ he said.

My information on carbon steel heat treatment is coming from Wikipedia. They are referring to general carbon steel and not golf specific but I would bet that it applies to golf clubs.

[CrazyXGolfer]

So the two top selling wedges Vokey and Cleveland feel 100000000x worse when you found out they were not forged? You couldn't even tell they were forged/cast until someone told you...

You are by far the biggiest idoit on this forum.

Ive on ever played demo vokey wedges for a week or so. witch was months and months ago, turns out I don;t like them. After playing forged wedges for awhile now, I do believe they have different feeling, I think they are better then the clevelands. I never new clevelands were not forged, but they feeling amazing anyways. What is it with you are trying to be a big person on the internet??

[sean_miller]

I love the carbon - couldn't live without it.

[andef]

You are by far the biggiest idoit on this forum.

Do your Vr wedges feel 100000000x better than the Clevelands then?

I wonder what a forged wedge feels like if the Cleveland are amazing.

[Gerald]

Just try some of the MP T10 or T11 wedges ..... and you will know why forged is better !

[Stretch]

Just try some of the MP T10 or T11 wedges ..... and you will know why forged is better !

Please. Mizuno is now far too large to have the wizened master forger personally jack off onto every billet, as tradition decrees. The task is now delegated to foundry apprentices, and the difference in feel is immediately apparent to anyone who has played, say, Miura wedges -- which are still infused with the pure essence of the craftsman himself.

[goblue107501]

No one can tell the difference between a cast and forged club based upon the process by which it was made. If you actually think there is a difference, what you are feeling is the particular metal used or design of the club. There can be a huge feel difference between types of metals used, but a club being forged or cast doesn't matter. Maybe at one time it did, but not the case anymore.

It is much more important to know the make-up of the club, rather than the process used to make it.

[Shanks A Million]

It really does amaze me how much ignorance still persists in the whole forged vs cast debate. Forging is a process, and doesn't have any affect on the feel. What matters is the steel that's used. Almost all forged clubs use soft steel, which is what you feel the difference in. Clubmakers will be able to bend a forged iron more than a cast one because it has a more formed grain structure, but that's about it.

Can you tell forged from cast? Absolutely not . Can you tell 1025 carbon steel from 17-4 stainless steel? Absolutely . Vokeys are made from manganese steel, 8620, which is a soft steel that many forged clubs (Adams Pro MB Black, for example) are made from. Cleveland CG12s are also made from this metal. You could also forge a club from 17-4 stainless steel, and it would still feel hard as a rock. All that really matters is the steel.

Please. Mizuno is now far too large to have the wizened master forger personally jack off onto every billet, as tradition decrees. The task is now delegated to foundry apprentices, and the difference in feel is immediately apparent to anyone who has played, say, Miura wedges -- which are still infused with the pure essence of the craftsman himself.

[Gerald]

No one can tell the difference between a cast and forged club based upon the process by which it was made..........

Nothing personal ....... but it is always the guys with the Cast wedges telling us that the forged wedges feel no different ......

[motteler621]

Nothing personal ....... but it is always the guys with the Cast wedges telling us that the forged wedges feel no different ...... -;)

thats very true but I own a ping tour w wedge which is cast and I really like it. I can tell a slight difference in the feel between my mpt10 and my ping but I dont like one over the other. Its a slightly different feel but neither one is nessasarly better than the other. You can get use to either one and play really good with either. I prefer the feel of forged irons and will probably buy forged over cast. I dont think I would be able to tell the difference blindfolder between the two by just hitting them though.

Back to your point. People stand behind what they are using, spent their hard earned money on and will defend it online. For instance the guy who bought a set of 800 dollar cast ping irons is going to debate that an 800 dollar set of forged mizuno irons are no different in feel, even though they are. Mainly because of the metal used.

[Shanks A Million]

Nothing personal ....... but it is always the guys with the Cast wedges telling us that the forged wedges feel no different ......

Because we're not idiots. My whole bag is full of forged clubs, except the wedges. The CG12 feels a bit harder than the Nikes, because it's made from a bit harder steel. The 588 feels a lot harder, because it's made of a lot harder steel. Make sense?

[tristanhilton85]

Nothing personal ....... but it is always the guys with the Cast wedges telling us that the forged wedges feel no different ......

Let's change that then... I use all forged wedges and they don't feel any different because they are forged.

[wrx_junki]

I'm glad that I am playing forged wedges for the superior feel. Probably should get one of those Miura forged wedges for even better feel.

[CassinoNorth]

Nothing personal ....... but it is always the guys with the Cast wedges telling us that the forged wedges feel no different ......

And it's the people who have some kind of odd obsession with forged that say ohhhh! it's so much better.

When they're wrong. I've taked 3 classes on Materials and processes in mechanical engineering in which we've taken pretty hard looks at the differences in the forging and casting processes. Guess what? It doesn't matter in golf clubs (aside from bending, which it does matter). The feel you are feeling isn't the process (which you probably have no idea what it entails) it's the type of metal they use on the club.

[goblue107501]

Nothing personal ....... but it is always the guys with the Cast wedges telling us that the forged wedges feel no different ......

And it's the people who have some kind of odd obsession with forged that say ohhhh! it's so much better.

Thanks for making my reply for me Cassino!!

[motteler621]

And it's the people who have some kind of odd obsession with forged that say ohhhh! it's so much better.

exactly, but how many cast clubs have grain flow, soft metal used? Of all the clubs I know of that are forged, they use a very soft metal. I dont know any cast clubs that use a soft metal except for the carbon wedges that I learned of lately. To say there is no difference (Absolutly none) in feel is ignorant. Im not saying one or the other is better or you are going to feel drastic differences on every shot. its all personal preference.

Answer this question though, which cast clubs use soft metal and which forged clubs dont use a soft metal? that is all and I do know the process for mizuno clubs. They take a grain flow billet of soft metal and heat it up and put it in a club shaped press, then sand and polish and put on chrome. Cast clubs they make some metal a liquid form and pour it into a cast, then sand and polish, which takes alot more sanding than the forged process. forget all this forum cant tell a difference in feel between two types of metal crap, I dont care what anyone says on forums and all the debates that go on. I can feel a difference in feel sometimes between a mizuno forged club and a ping cast club, period

[CassinoNorth]

exactly, but how many cast clubs have grain flow, soft metal used? Of all the clubs I know of that are forged, they use a very soft metal. I dont know any cast clubs that use a soft metal except for the carbon wedges that I learned of lately. To say there is no difference (Absolutly none) in feel is ignorant. Im not saying one or the other is better or you are going to feel drastic differences on every shot. its all personal preference.

We're not talking about forged irons here...we're talking about wedges which most DO use soft metals and this clown saying Vokey isn't good because it's cast!!! is completely off base and just ignorant to be honest.

Answer this question though, which cast clubs use soft metal and which forged clubs dont use a soft metal? that is all

Vokeys, TM XFT's, and CG15's off the top of my head. There's probably a bunch more in the wedge department.

forget all this forum cant tell a difference in feel between two types of metal crap, I dont care what anyone says on forums and all the debates that go on. I can feel a difference in feel sometimes between a mizuno forged club and a ping cast club, period

lol have you just been ignoring the posts in this thread? Yes, you're gonna feel a difference in the clubs. No not because of the club making process but because they're made of two different metals.

sigh.

[jamo]

Since wedges have many different finishes, you also have to take that into account. Sound is a large percent of feel at impact, especially slower swing speeds like on chips and pitches.