Jump to content
IGNORED

My Swing (iacas)


iacas

Recommended Posts



Originally Posted by bunkerputt

What the heck are you hitting into?  Is there a net that doesn't show on camera?



Yes, he's hitting into a net. He just happens to hit it way to the right with this shot!

"Success is going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." – Winston Churchill

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Hosel rocket ;-)

Originally Posted by The_Pharaoh

Yes, he's hitting into a net. He just happens to hit it way to the right with this shot!



Driver: Taylormade R11 set to 8*
3 Wood: R9 15* Motore Stiff
Hybrid: 19° 909 H Voodoo
Irons: 4-PW AP2 Project X 5.5
52*, 60* Vokey SM Chrome

Putter: Odyssey XG #7

Ball: Titleist Pro V1x

Link to comment
Share on other sites




Originally Posted by michaeljames92

Hosel rocket ;-)


I would gladly hit a few HRs if I could get my body and club into better positions... ;-)

"Success is going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." – Winston Churchill

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Administrator

Originally Posted by bunkerputt

What the heck are you hitting into?  Is there a net that doesn't show on camera?


http://thegolfevolution.com/metro

Specifically this image. You can't see the netting against the cinder block very well but you can see it - and the shadows from it - along the yellow areas and along the turf near the cinder block wall. And of course you can see the netting around the teaching area:

metro_6.jpg

Originally Posted by michaeljames92

Hosel rocket ;-)


TGM 2-0, baby.


BTW, I have a slightly revised feeling I'd like to share. First, consider this image from earlier in this thread:

640x405px-LL-34f1668d__iacas_05.jpeg

I even noted it in the picture, the scrunched shoulder look. Well my new thought or feeling is, from the top, to "get my right shoulder away from my right ear." The distance doesn't really change, but it helps with the shoulder trajectory. Notice how much lower the right shoulder and elbow are in each.

This slightly increases secondary axis tilt - in some others it might dramatically increase it, particularly if their head goes forward (paging Zeph, hello, Zeph-er-ino!!) - but for me it only adds a little, which is about all I needed anyway.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instructor Development, 5 Simple Keys®/Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins • Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 • "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 • Penn-State Behrend Head Coach • • • • • • • • • • :aimpoint: :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | 5SK.com | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • 4 weeks later...
  • Administrator

Not worrying about footwork right now (more right foot banking, earlier extension). Just getting P3.5 to P4.5 down.

Feelings I've used (they all work, it's just good to mix them up):

  • Hinge fast, stand the club up, then lay the club down and really feel the weight of the clubhead in Pressure Point #3 (PP3, crook of right index finger).
  • Get right shoulder away from right ear in the transition and downswing.
  • Point right elbow at belly button in transition.
  • Palmar flex the crap out of my left wrist in transition.

Anyway, I'm pleased with how things are progressing given how seldom I hit golf balls (but more than last winter!).

Analyzr Image Export.jpg

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instructor Development, 5 Simple Keys®/Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins • Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 • "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 • Penn-State Behrend Head Coach • • • • • • • • • • :aimpoint: :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | 5SK.com | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades



Originally Posted by iacas

Palmar flex the crap out of my left wrist in transition.



I would like to hear a bit more about this one. For example why?

I have been working on the last 2 you mentioned as well. Ever since your elbow post. I think you are on to something there, but is this an element to that move?

Michael

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator

Originally Posted by mchepp

I would like to hear a bit more about this one. For example why?

I have been working on the last 2 you mentioned as well. Ever since your elbow post. I think you are on to something there, but is this an element to that move?


I thought I might hear from you on that.

I feel like I palmar flex the crap out of my left wrist but it doesn't happen. Try as I might I can't do what Dustin Johnson does. Not in a swing, anyway. If I make myself do it and hold it of course I can.

Anyway, the feeling of palmar flexion is described a bit here. This is a good feeling because "feel isn't real" and though this isn't necessarily the best feel for me, it still works.

Analyzr Image Export.jpg

This video happens to be from a practice backswing where I made an obscene loop with the clubhead and my hands and whatnot (steep to shallow), but what you can see is that the position of my right elbow changes as my wrist changes. I think it's difficult to feel something in terms of where my elbow is pointing or my forearm angle, so feelings that change those things but which are oriented elsewhere - in my hands, etc. - work better for me.

What I'm really trying to do is load the third accumulator more (orange arrow showing pointing direction of back of left hand).

Here's a really, really, really old swing compared against one that I let go really long just to show the differences here. Note the flatter left wrist. It's tough to describe but my wrists tend to get a bit "floppy" at the top of the backswing. I can cup my left wrist but still keep the clubface a little shut at the top, it'll tip out across the line, and coming down I get super steep because the weight of the clubhead is already tipped out.

Analyzr Image Export.jpg

The grip, by the way, is much stronger on the right. If 3 is neutral and 1 is Zach Johnson and 5 is Tiger Woods in 2007, I'm a 4 on the left and a 2.5 on the right.

Analyzr Image Export.jpg

What is it really? Again, a different way of loading #3 (or not unloading it due to wrist conditions changing due to a right elbow that gets too punchy). In other words, I'm using what I feel in #3 pressure point (by loading #3 more, later) and the feeling of palmar flexing to make sure that as I cup I don't unload #3, and I'm doing those with the primary goal of changing the right elbow position into something more pitchy (or, as I like to say, pinchy).

How's that? Make sense? If not ask for more. I'm happy to talk about my swing. How much it applies to anyone else, I don't know... ;-)

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instructor Development, 5 Simple Keys®/Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins • Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 • "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 • Penn-State Behrend Head Coach • • • • • • • • • • :aimpoint: :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | 5SK.com | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I see. I have not been doing it right. I have been attempting to palmar flex after transition, based on what I see in your shots there I am waiting too long. I have been trying for about 3 months now with pitch elbow. Like you, I am closer, but still not there. Your thread on the elbow helped a bunch there, your idea to exaggerate and start flexing earlier may give me some more help on that.

I feel that this post plus the post on the elbow should be in the Swing Thoughts section. 90% of the swings that are posted here are too steep and need to understand this.

Michael

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades


Originally Posted by iacas

Well my new thought or feeling is, from the top, to "get my right shoulder away from my right ear."



Holy friggen crap, Erik!

I just tried this with a few dry swings as it is (checks time) 11:19PM. The feeling was unbelievable! Can't wait to try this on the range (of sorts) tomorrow. Coupled with straightening my right leg (lefty) this felt REAL solid.

To be clear, are you trying to feel like you don't bring you shoulder any closer, or are you trying to feel like you push your shoulder down a little?

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Administrator

Originally Posted by Lofty Lefty

To be clear, are you trying to feel like you don't bring you shoulder any closer, or are you trying to feel like you push your shoulder down a little?


I feel like I'm moving my right shoulder down and away from my ear. See post #76 or some others in this thread for more on that.

Note that this feeling might not be what you need most right now (or perhaps ever), so caution is warranted. It's working for me, may not for you.

Originally Posted by mchepp

I see. I have not been doing it right. I have been attempting to palmar flex after transition, based on what I see in your shots there I am waiting too long. I have been trying for about 3 months now with pitch elbow. Like you, I am closer, but still not there. Your thread on the elbow helped a bunch there, your idea to exaggerate and start flexing earlier may give me some more help on that.

I feel that this post plus the post on the elbow should be in the Swing Thoughts section. 90% of the swings that are posted here are too steep and need to understand this.

Thanks. Perhaps I'll do something in Swing Thoughts with this topic. The elbow one is in there isn't it? Which elbow post? I know I made a post regarding elbow position and its effects on the downswing. http://thesandtrap.com/t/54238/elbow-position-and-its-effects-on-the-downswing . I moved it. ;-)

Only 90%? :-)

Note that some people can't feel things this way. For some, we'll tell them "pinch the elbows closer together." Since they can't get their left elbow closer, they'll move the right, which will go more "pitchy" which will also lead to a shallower plane as #3 will tend to load a little more (or stay loaded longer).

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instructor Development, 5 Simple Keys®/Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins • Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 • "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 • Penn-State Behrend Head Coach • • • • • • • • • • :aimpoint: :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | 5SK.com | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Quote:

Originally Posted by mchepp

I see. I have not been doing it right. I have been attempting to palmar flex after transition, based on what I see in your shots there I am waiting too long. I have been trying for about 3 months now with pitch elbow. Like you, I am closer, but still not there. Your thread on the elbow helped a bunch there, your idea to exaggerate and start flexing earlier may give me some more help on that.

I feel that this post plus the post on the elbow should be in the Swing Thoughts section. 90% of the swings that are posted here are too steep and need to understand this.

Thanks. Perhaps I'll do something in Swing Thoughts with this topic.


+1 on this. The community needs an official thread on this IMO. I mention it a lot, but it doesn't have the same effect as it does coming from a pro. Hopefully you get some free time to write it out sometime.

Constantine

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator

Originally Posted by JetFan1983

+1 on this. The community needs an official thread on this IMO. I mention it a lot, but it doesn't have the same effect as it does coming from a pro. Hopefully you get some free time to write it out sometime.


Could you and Michael trouble yourselves to tell me exactly what you mean? What do you want to see?

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instructor Development, 5 Simple Keys®/Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins • Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 • "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 • Penn-State Behrend Head Coach • • • • • • • • • • :aimpoint: :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | 5SK.com | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Swings looking good Erik!!!!

Glad to see you're putting the facility to great use. We need one of those here... wait, thats a good idea hehe.

(a little more extensor action at p4)

Miss ya buddy!

James

James Hirshfield

Tour Professional Golf Coach

@hirshfield <-- Follow me on Twitter!

james@thegolfevolution.com

UK 07939-902455

USA (814) 464-3446

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Administrator

Originally Posted by james_hirshfield

Swings looking good Erik!!!!

Yeah, check out the shank video. :-) Best swing EVAH! :-D


Originally Posted by james_hirshfield

Glad to see you're putting the facility to great use. We need one of those here... wait, thats a good idea hehe.

There ya go!

Originally Posted by james_hirshfield

(a little more extensor action at p4)

Always, James. C'mon. ;-) It's getting there. How's yours?

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instructor Development, 5 Simple Keys®/Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins • Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 • "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 • Penn-State Behrend Head Coach • • • • • • • • • • :aimpoint: :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | 5SK.com | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades



Originally Posted by iacas

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetFan1983

+1 on this. The community needs an official thread on this IMO. I mention it a lot, but it doesn't have the same effect as it does coming from a pro. Hopefully you get some free time to write it out sometime.

Could you and Michael trouble yourselves to tell me exactly what you mean? What do you want to see?


Nothing too specific from me. Perhaps just how it relates to the whole sham of "releasing the club" and why that doesn't actually work or happen with good players. How it closes the face relative to the path quite a bit, so swinging out to the right will produce a draw and not a bad push-fade or something; how it really gets the shaft leaning forward if you're a player who struggles with that.... I think high-handicap members would benefit the most from a thread on palmar flexion, although not exclusively.

Perhaps also how you have to push the hips forward so  you don't hit straight-over-draws and pull-draws? Just spit ballin.

Constantine

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades


You did a pretty good job there explaining it yourself JetFan :)

if the hips dont slide, the golfer will only turn and return into flexion, shifting the left arm out. Unless the golfer uncocks the club or palmar flexes, the golfer will hit across the ball. Even with uncocking the club and/or palmar flexing, the geometry changes and maximum compensations have to be made in the shortest amount of time. Something 99% of golfers are unable to do. SOME can... these are the elite few. Just my .2p

Erik, looked back at your pics n vids, really nice changes you've been making.

Def more EA at P4. squeeze elbows and lightning #4. You know the stuff!

I've played a couple of times, hitting it pretty good. But you know how I am with my own swing, come to think of it, you, me, dave and mike are Mr. LetsWorkOn12ThingsAtTheSameTimeEvenThoughWeWouldNEVERGetAStudentToDoIt.  <--- that was harder to type that you think lol

James

Originally Posted by JetFan1983

Nothing too specific from me. Perhaps just how it relates to the whole sham of "releasing the club" and why that doesn't actually work or happen with good players. How it closes the face relative to the path quite a bit, so swinging out to the right will produce a draw and not a bad push-fade or something; how it really gets the shaft leaning forward if you're a player who struggles with that.... I think high-handicap members would benefit the most from a thread on palmar flexion, although not exclusively.

Perhaps also how you have to push the hips forward so  you don't hit straight-over-draws and pull-draws? Just spit ballin.



James Hirshfield

Tour Professional Golf Coach

@hirshfield <-- Follow me on Twitter!

james@thegolfevolution.com

UK 07939-902455

USA (814) 464-3446

Link to comment
Share on other sites




Originally Posted by iacas

Could you and Michael trouble yourselves to tell me exactly what you mean? What do you want to see?



For me it is an explanation of the movement of the right elbow from P3 to P5.5~P6ish and also how the wrist conditions affect the elbow. You have already put the elbow thread that we discussed in the Swing Thought thread which is my major suggestion, but I think you should add to that this update on the wrist conditions.

Why?

Because a huge amount of golfers who put their swing up on this site (and myself) do not have this elbow in the right position and traditional instructional stuff doesn't really cover it.

Michael

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Moderator


Originally Posted by mchepp

For me it is an explanation of the movement of the right elbow from P3 to P5.5~P6ish and also how the wrist conditions affect the elbow. You have already put the elbow thread that we discussed in the Swing Thought thread which is my major suggestion, but I think you should add to that this update on the wrist conditions.

Why?

Because a huge amount of golfers who put their swing up on this site (and myself) do not have this elbow in the right position and traditional instructional stuff doesn't really cover it.


this might help

http://thesandtrap.com/t/54572/right-elbow-spacing-at-p4

Mike McLoughlin

Check out my friends on Evolvr!
Follow The Sand Trap on Twitter!  and on Facebook
Golf Terminology -  Analyzr  -  My FacebookTwitter and Instagram 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.



  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • Support TST Affiliates

    TourStriker PlaneMate
    Golfer's Journal
    FlightScope Mevo
    Direct links for Mevo, Mevo+, and Pro Package. Save 10% on Mevo with coupon code "IACAS" as well.
  • Posts

    • When someone suggests that a rule should be different, the first test in my mind is whether the change is an improvement, or just a change.  There are lots of issues where there may be a personal preference to one side or the other, but neither is demonstrably better.  You've expressed a preference, but I can't say you've shown it to be better to have a choice.  Indeed, minimizing potential confusion and pace of play issues is, in my opinion, an advantage to the current system.  I definitely don't see an advantage to the "choice" system that more than offsets the advantages included in the current system.  
    • The chorus of this song is an earworm.    
    • I've got: 3W 19-degree hybrid or 20-degree utility iron Iron set starts at 4-iron Reasons: I don't really think too deeply about gapping with my long clubs (as long as the distances aren't overlapping or bunched). I am not a good enough ball striker to need more than ballpark distances for gapping with fairway woods/hybrids/utility irons (I do care about gapping with irons/wedges though). 3W: I don't use my 3W that often, and I could probably leave it home and not notice. It is in the bag for 240+ yard approach shots like a 2nd shot into par-5, but my home course has relatively short par-5, so this is not common. Sometimes I will tee off with 3W just to make sure I get at least one or two swings with it a round. If I am playing away from my home course, I use 3W more often. 19-deg hybrid: Until recently, a hybrid was always my go-to club for tee shots on mid-length par-4 (say 380 yards or less), or just when driver is squirrely. I also like having this club for 220-230 yard approach shots, usually on a par-5. For whatever reason, I've always felt confident with a hybrid in hand on the tee - like I am going to keep the ball in play, and set myself up for a successful approach shot (not sure if my stats back this up or not though). 20-deg utility iron: Recently put this in the bag, at expense of the hybrid. The hybrid flies further, but I feel like my misses with long iron/utility iron are less severe than with hybrid/fairway wood type heads. Example, when I hit a pull with a hybrid or fairway wood, it is usually a pull draw, and ends up left of left. But when I hit a pull with a long iron/utility iron, there seems to be less curve in the miss, and the ball stays in play (this is completely anecdotal and I'm not sure if stats back it up). Still seeing how I feel about hybrid vs. utility iron and which one I'll end up keeping.
  • Today's Birthdays

    1. Anaedeni
      Anaedeni
      (34 years old)
    2. DirtyTee
      DirtyTee
      (38 years old)
    3. enndee1
      enndee1
      (40 years old)

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...