Funny as Hell at the Tavistock Cup 2011 - any interesting observations!

[B-Con]

Was the commentator really painting a PGA Tour professional's upcoming shot in a nothing event with the "amateurs should not try this shot at home" brush of boringness?

I think that, as a general rule, amateurs should not try half the shots at home. Be it wedge play or carrying a 240 yard hazard off the deck. :-P But from the OP, it sounded like the commentator was talking about the actual pro, not amateurs.

[MackJL06]

The result was clearly a good one. Was the risk worth the reward? Could an easier, lower, "chasing" shot have yielded a very similar result (maybe 5ft rather than 4ft), while reducing the risk of leaving it 8ft?

its a pretty basic / fundamental concept in most sports / games. does the outcome merit the risk. you see it in sports all the time. soccer players shooting from a terrible angle while another player is wide open in front of the net for a tap in....if the player scores everyone cheers...GREAT PLAY....he scored but in the scenario if you paused and looked at the whole situation, the CORRECT play was to more than likely distribute to the open player who had a significantly higher probability of completing the play.

same in tennis with deciding what kind of spin to play, which side of the court to play to.

same in basketball when a player shoots a 3pter instead of shooting from their proper range.

same in golf when people try and pitch, chip from the fringe instead of putting.

all of these will of course change for each individual and strategies need to be formed. If shot A gets you 1ft from the pin but has a 20% chance of working, while option B gets you 2 1/2 ft with a 70% chance, which should you take. I believe the commentator probably had an understanding of the odds of each shot for that situation and was simply surprised the player took a more difficult route.

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Originally Posted by walk18

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just because the shot worked doesnt mean it was the right play.

Huh???

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Originally Posted by B-Con

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Originally Posted by sean_miller

Was the commentator really painting a PGA Tour professional's upcoming shot in a nothing event with the "amateurs should not try this shot at home" brush of boringness?

I think that, as a general rule, amateurs should not try half the shots at home. Be it wedge play or carrying a 240 yard hazard off the deck.

But from the OP, it sounded like the commentator was talking about the actual pro, not amateurs.

the commentators try to relate most things back to viewers at home. they show all the slow motion swings to identify points in the swing that are effective (sometimes unique) in an effort to help the player at home work on their understanding and application of the golf swing. i dont know who/what this specific commentator said exactly or when/where it was, but just from my history of watching golf, they tend to try and relay the proper play from given situations

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by MackJL06

The result was clearly a good one. Was the risk worth the reward? Could an easier, lower, "chasing" shot have yielded a very similar result (maybe 5ft rather than 4ft), while reducing the risk of leaving it 8ft?

its a pretty basic / fundamental concept in most sports / games. does the outcome merit the risk. you see it in sports all the time. soccer players shooting from a terrible angle while another player is wide open in front of the net for a tap in....if the player scores everyone cheers...GREAT PLAY....he scored but in the scenario if you paused and looked at the whole situation, the CORRECT play was to more than likely distribute to the open player who had a significantly higher probability of completing the play.

same in tennis with deciding what kind of spin to play, which side of the court to play to.

same in basketball when a player shoots a 3pter instead of shooting from their proper range.

same in golf when people try and pitch, chip from the fringe instead of putting.

all of these will of course change for each individual and strategies need to be formed. If shot A gets you 1ft from the pin but has a 20% chance of working, while option B gets you 2 1/2 ft with a 70% chance, which should you take. I believe the commentator probably had an understanding of the odds of each shot for that situation and was simply surprised the player took a more difficult route.

the commentators try to relate most things back to viewers at home. they show all the slow motion swings to identify points in the swing that are effective (sometimes unique) in an effort to help the player at home work on their understanding and application of the golf swing. i dont know who/what this specific commentator said exactly or when/where it was, but just from my history of watching golf, they tend to try and relay the proper play from given situations

Soccer, tennis, basketball, and golf can be extremely boring if only the high percentage shots are attempted. This was a made for TV event. Using a tennis term, some times you just have to try and hit a winner. And it's only low percentage if you lack the skill to do it.

[ControlJunkie]

Apparently I didnt watch enough to see what you guys are talking about. By the time I got home, I only had time to watch an hour or so from the DVR, but one thing I noticed in both days' coverage was that either Nobilo or Lehrner has a bad nose whistle thing going on. Or they were way to close to their mic.

Was I the only one that noticed that?

[Kieran123]

Originally Posted by ControlJunkie

Apparently I didnt watch enough to see what you guys are talking about. By the time I got home, I only had time to watch an hour or so from the DVR, but one thing I noticed in both days' coverage was that either Nobilo or Lehrner has a bad nose whistle thing going on. Or they were way to close to their mic.

Was I the only one that noticed that?

No...I think it was Brandel

Constant breathing/whistling sound

[jamo]

Originally Posted by ControlJunkie

Apparently I didnt watch enough to see what you guys are talking about. By the time I got home, I only had time to watch an hour or so from the DVR, but one thing I noticed in both days' coverage was that either Nobilo or Lehrner has a bad nose whistle thing going on. Or they were way to close to their mic.

Was I the only one that noticed that?

Nobilo sounds like he is always eating something, especially when he starts talking after a while of not talking.

[MackJL06]

so if im playing at my home course...par 5 595 yds...drive leaves 300+ to the green...i should hit the driver off the deck. thats the right play. thats the only chance i have of making it in 2. 1/10000000 chance it will work...but its the right play. the correct play is determined before the shot/play is executed...not based on the result.

Originally Posted by sean_miller

Soccer, tennis, basketball, and golf can be extremely boring if only the high percentage shots are attempted. This was a made for TV event. Using a tennis term, some times you just have to try and hit a winner. And it's only low percentage if you lack the skill to do it.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by MackJL06

so if im playing at my home course...par 5 595 yds...drive leaves 300+ to the green...i should hit the driver off the deck. thats the right play. thats the only chance i have of making it in 2. 1/10000000 chance it will work...but its the right play. the correct play is determined before the shot/play is executed...not based on the result.

Should YOU make that play? Is that the right play for YOU? Probably not, since you're a relatively unskilled player (like me). My driver can't be hit off the deck (not designed for it) and 300 yards is beyond my  3-wood range. Now, if I had a good lie at my max 3-wood distance, I'd probably go for it unless it was all carry or an island green.

There are a lot of plays that are "the right play" in the hands of a professional (or based on this forum, in the hands of a 27 handicapper with a new Pro V1 and Vokey).

[TourSpoon]

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Originally Posted by MackJL06

so if im playing at my home course...par 5 595 yds...drive leaves 300+ to the green...i should hit the driver off the deck. thats the right play. thats the only chance i have of making it in 2. 1/10000000 chance it will work...but its the right play. the correct play is determined before the shot/play is executed...not based on the result.

Should YOU make that play? Is that the right play for YOU? Probably not, since you're a relatively unskilled player (like me). My driver can't be hit off the deck (not designed for it) and 300 yards is beyond my 3-wood range. Now, if I had a good lie at my max 3-wood distance, I'd probably go for it unless it was all carry or an island green.

There are a lot of plays that are "the right play" in the hands of a professional (or based on this forum, in the hands of a 27 handicapper with a new Pro V1 and Vokey).

That last comment chased a little laugh out of me. These guys are superhuman when it comes to this game (which is not the game us mortals play). My biggest laughs come when someone comments about how hard an upcoming shot will be. I say to myself you are commenting on the elite and this shot is routine and you know it. I think they make these comments for pure dramatic effect.

[Dad-2-3]