The Dan Plan - 10,000 Hours to Become a Pro Golfer (Dan McLaughlin)

[Lihu]

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Originally Posted by Crim

Wow, the average index for men is actually better than I figured. Doesn't 14 handicap suggest you're regularly shooting in the high 80's? I find it hard to believe the average male golfer does this.

Note that the graphic only includes golfers who have a GHIN handicap. It doesn't include the millions of recreational golfers who don't, and that population as a whole is certainly shooting much higher scores than those golfers who are serious enough to have an official handicap.

So while the average handicap for golfers who carry a GHIN handicap is indeed 14, the average handicap for *all* golfers is much higher. It's hard to determine exactly how much higher, since the stats for recreational golfers are naturally hard to obtain.

Mostly because many recreational golfers don't know how to score or don't care to write down the truth.

[DrvFrShow]

I would go so far as to say that most people who play the game don't carry a handicap.

My neighbor's foursome - none of them carry a handicap and I wouldn't want to play against any one of them. If they had a handicap they'd be around 5 to 7 now. They used to be a lot better but that was when they were in their late 40s. They play by the ROG and they're very strict. They just never bother to pay dues and sign up.

And there are people who play really bad who don't carry handicaps, like a couple of friends of mine who score around 120 for 18.

So there are people on both ends of the spectrum.

[sacm3bill]

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Originally Posted by DrvFrShow

I would go so far as to say that most people who play the game don't carry a handicap.

Sure, not a stretch to say that at all.

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So there are people on both ends of the spectrum.

Of course, but it certainly isn't anywhere close to balanced. Of the golfers who don't report their scores to GHIN, those that are worse than the GHIN average surely outnumber those that are better by a factor of hundreds, if not thousands.  Just saying the GHIN numbers are skewed towards the better end of the spectrum - if you look at the average scores of all golfers it's going to translate to a lot more than a 14 or 15 handicap.

[natureboy]

Wow, the average index for men is actually better than I figured. Doesn't 14 handicap suggest you're regularly shooting in the high 80's? I find it hard to believe the average male golfer does this.

Yes, on the high 80's. This chart was from the universe of golfers with official handicaps. The universe of all golfers is much larger and generally less skilled so the average skill level of all golfers including beginners would skew the chart right considerably.

@sacm3bill - I agree.

[DrvFrShow]

I would think that the "average" golfer, including everyone who doesn't report a HC, if they were to all play under the ROG would have HCs around 30.

[Lihu]

I would think that the "average" golfer, including everyone who doesn't report a HC, if they were to all play under the ROG would have HCs around 30.

This is also kind of off topic, but given people like you and many others on this site who are serious about golf and carry a 20HC to 28HC, I would further that to 40HC.

Dan is probably a 4-6 handicap as stated in his blogs and such, but his cocky demeanor turns off a lot of people.

[nevets88]

[QUOTE name="DrvFrShow" url="/t/45853/the-dan-plan-10-000-hours-to-become-a-pro-golfer-dan-mclaughlin/2736#post_1107955"]   I would think that the "average" golfer, including everyone who doesn't report a HC, if they were to all play under the ROG would have HCs around 30. [/QUOTE] This is also kind of off topic, but given people like you and many others on this site who are serious about golf and carry a 20HC to 28HC, I would further that to 40HC. Dan is probably a 4-6 handicap as stated in his blogs and such, but his cocky demeanor turns off a lot of people.

He doesn't come off as cocky to me. To me, it feels like he's trying too hard to fill his inspiration role.

[Lihu]

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Originally Posted by Lihu

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Originally Posted by DrvFrShow

I would think that the "average" golfer, including everyone who doesn't report a HC, if they were to all play under the ROG would have HCs around 30.

This is also kind of off topic, but given people like you and many others on this site who are serious about golf and carry a 20HC to 28HC, I would further that to 40HC.

Dan is probably a 4-6 handicap as stated in his blogs and such, but his cocky demeanor turns off a lot of people.

He doesn't come off as cocky to me. To me, it feels like he's trying too hard to fill his inspiration role.

This could very well be the case, but doesn't it even remotely come off as a little bit conceited?

[DrvFrShow]

This could very well be the case, but doesn't it even remotely come off as a little bit conceited?

Some of that could be trying to pump up himself so he can keep going. I think it's denial at this point. 4000 hrs to go and it's not the arrow.

[Aguirre]

Thread is long.

Help me out and tell me how far in and where this Dan guy is at now.  I'm really curious.

[nevets88]

[QUOTE name="nevets88" url="/t/45853/the-dan-plan-10-000-hours-to-become-a-pro-golfer-dan-mclaughlin/2736#post_1108025"]   [QUOTE name="Lihu" url="/t/45853/the-dan-plan-10-000-hours-to-become-a-pro-golfer-dan-mclaughlin/2730#post_1107957"]   [QUOTE name="DrvFrShow" url="/t/45853/the-dan-plan-10-000-hours-to-become-a-pro-golfer-dan-mclaughlin/2736#post_1107955"] I would think that the "average" golfer, including everyone who doesn't report a HC, if they were to all play under the ROG would have HCs around 30.[/QUOTE] This is also kind of off topic, but given people like you and many others on this site who are serious about golf and carry a 20HC to 28HC, I would further that to 40HC. Dan is probably a 4-6 handicap as stated in his blogs and such, but his cocky demeanor turns off a lot of people.[/QUOTE] He doesn't come off as cocky to me. To me, it feels like he's trying too hard to fill his inspiration role. [/QUOTE] This could very well be the case, but doesn't it even remotely come off as a little bit conceited?

More rose colored glasses.

[Nosevi]

Thread is long.

Help me out and tell me how far in and where this Dan guy is at now.  I'm really curious.

He's almost 6,000 hours into his 10,000 hour 'experiment'. His official handicap is 3.1, his scoring average is about 80 overall and a tad more in official competitions. He needs to change something in the way he's going about it IMO as his scoring average is no different than it was about 18 months ago. That's the short version :)

He doesn't come off as cocky to me. To me, it feels like he's trying too hard to fill his inspiration role.

This could very well be the case, but doesn't it even remotely come off as a little bit conceited?

More rose colored glasses.

One thing I said to Dan when he told me he was trying to inspire people with the blog was perhaps a bit harsh but I was trying to give the guy a shake. I told him that the only way he would truly inspire people was to succeed to at least tour level. Trying but failing through lack of planning or an unwillingness to change the plan as required to achieve the goal was not inspirational. I was seeing some success in my programme and suggested we trade ideas, kind of help each other along. I actually went a bit further than that to try to get him back on track but won't go into it on an open forum - it did involve a small financial outlay on my part (can almost see Shorty shacking his head in dispair ) as well as 'sharing' some expertise I use in my programme. He just didn't want to know, all the advice/information flow was totally one sided and was ultimately ignored anyway.

[nevets88]

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Originally Posted by Aguirre

Thread is long.

Help me out and tell me how far in and where this Dan guy is at now.  I'm really curious.

He's almost 6,000 hours into his 10,000 hour 'experiment'. His official handicap is 3.1, his scoring average is about 80 overall and a tad more in official competitions. He needs to change something in the way he's going about it IMO as his scoring average is no different than it was about 18 months ago. That's the short version :)

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Originally Posted by nevets88

He doesn't come off as cocky to me. To me, it feels like he's trying too hard to fill his inspiration role.

This could very well be the case, but doesn't it even remotely come off as a little bit conceited?

More rose colored glasses.

One thing I said to Dan when he told me he was trying to inspire people with the blog was perhaps a bit harsh but I was trying to give the guy a shake. I told him that the only way he would truly inspire people was to succeed to at least tour level. Trying but failing through lack of planning or an unwillingness to change the plan as required to achieve the goal was not inspirational. I was seeing some success in my programme and suggested we trade ideas, kind of help each other along. I actually went a bit further than that to try to get him back on track but won't go into it on an open forum - it did involve a small financial outlay on my part (can almost see Shorty shacking his head in dispair  ) as well as 'sharing' some expertise I use in my programme. He just didn't want to know, all the advice/information flow was totally one sided and was ultimately ignored anyway.

Being closed minded - not very inspiring.

[iacas]

Being closed minded - not very inspiring.

Hardly surprising, though.

Someone should write an article - "The Dan Plan: How to Fail by Screwing Up From the Get-Go and Stubbornly Continuing for 10,000 Hours" or something. I'd publish it. It could look at not only how he started poorly, but how he continuously lies about his progress and fails to adapt his plan.

[newtogolf]

Being closed minded - not very inspiring.

I think Dan is in a tough spot as he seems to be fighting to gain some credibility for what he's accomplished thus far but is having difficulty finding any.

With 6000 hours dedicated to golf and a supposed 3 handicap I think he's now trying to position himself more as a teacher than student.   We view his plan as incomplete and in need of advice and coaching but he appears to be out of learning mode.

[JetFan1983]

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Originally Posted by nevets88

Being closed minded - not very inspiring.

Hardly surprising, though.

Someone should write an article - "The Dan Plan: How to Fail by Screwing Up From the Get-Go and Stubbornly Continuing for 10,000 Hours" or something. I'd publish it. It could look at not only how he started poorly, but how he continuously lies about his progress and fails to adapt his plan.

I'd read the shit out of that article.

[Lihu]

[QUOTE name="iacas" url="/t/45853/the-dan-plan-10-000-hours-to-become-a-pro-golfer-dan-mclaughlin/2754#post_1108175"]   [QUOTE name="nevets88" url="/t/45853/the-dan-plan-10-000-hours-to-become-a-pro-golfer-dan-mclaughlin/2736#post_1108155"]   Being closed minded - not very inspiring. [/QUOTE] Hardly surprising, though. Someone should write an article - "The Dan Plan: How to Fail by Screwing Up From the Get-Go and Stubbornly Continuing for 10,000 Hours" or something. I'd publish it. It could look at not only how he started poorly, but how he continuously lies about his progress and fails to adapt his plan. [/QUOTE] I'd read the shit out of that article.

We could just publish this thread. :-D

[iacas]

We could just publish this thread.