Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
Diddy

No progress at PING?

24 posts in this topic

Flipping through the photo gallery on SI.com for today's practice round at the Open, I found some interesting photos of PING staff players.  For one, looks like Lee Westwood is using a G10 driver:

http://www.golf.com/golf/gallery/article/0,28242,2082674-1,00.html

Moreover, looks like Louie Oosthuizen has a PING Rapture driver in his bag:

http://www.golf.com/golf/gallery/article/0,28242,2082674-12,00.html

Now that the G20 series is out, LW and LO are both using drivers from more than two series ago.  I find it interesting that they would still be gaming drivers that are so old, and that PING has since "updated."  Seems like quite the condemnation of the "advancements" made by PING in the G15 and G20 series, right?  Sure, they might be favorite or "old reliable" drivers, but wouldn't you think that PING would have made enough improvements in the last 3-4 years to make LW and LO want to change to an updated model?

What do you think?

Full disclosure:  I have a G5, so am obviously in the market for an upgrade.  But these photos make me wonder if it isn't smarted to but a lightly used G10 or G15 instead of plopping down $300 for a new G20 (since LW and LO don't seem to think that the G15/G20s are any better than the previous lines).

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sign up (or log in) today! It's free (and you won't see this ad anymore)!

Sign up (or log in) today! It's free (and you won't see this ad anymore)!

First of all, that looks like a Rapture V2 (not an original Rapture) that Louie is using.  Second of all, having owned G10 and G15 drivers, and currently owning and playing an original Rapture and K15 drivers, they are all oustanding in their own right, such that I can't see playing one over the other being a "condemnation" of any of them.  And the Rapture V2, the only one I haven't owned, gets raves as well.  They're all outstanding, but the pros can get attached to certain equipment just like the rest of us, and not want to move onto the latest and greatest (much to the OEM's chagrin I suppose).

That said, I find your post a bit funny, as I was perusing Ping's facebook page earlier today, and almost all of their pictures from practice rounds at the Open prominently featured G20 headcovers in the pros bags, intimating that many of them were playing the new G20 woods.  Now, that may be true for some of them, but apparently not for all.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Remember that G-Mac won the US open with a 5-year old driver. Many pros hang on to clubs for years once they've found something they trust.  Take a look at how many V-Steel fairways you see in players bags who aren't on a full-club endorsement.

This isn't to say that improvements in 'modern' clubs are trivial, but that for many accomplished players moving away from a club they know well is a gamble.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ping's current crop of drivers and irons simply haven't changed much in a while. When they find a driver they like (whether that be the G5 or the i15), they stick with it because the newer ones offer very little other than a learning curve.
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Whatever tournament Lucas Glover won this year, he did it with a SQ driver from 2006.  I used to play the same one before buying a burner.  It was a first generation SQ tour.  This isn't just Ping.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Anyone spot the new G20 irons on tour yet? They usually make their debut at the Scottish Open but I didn't notice any.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites



Originally Posted by jeffrey r

That said, I find your post a bit funny, as I was perusing Ping's facebook page earlier today, and almost all of their pictures from practice rounds at the Open prominently featured G20 headcovers in the pros bags, intimating that many of them were playing the new G20 woods.  Now, that may be true for some of them, but apparently not for all.



Trusting that the wood matches the headcover in a pro's bag is akin to trusting a politician to fulfill thier campain promises...

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites


Originally Posted by shades9323

Trusting that the wood matches the headcover in a pro's bag is akin to trusting a politician to fulfill thier campain promises...


I'm going with this. Just because there are a ton of Ping G20 head covers, doesn't mean there are a ton of Ping G20 drivers.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

G20's are FUGLY.

They now have an even WIDER sole.....terrible IMO

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites



Originally Posted by Kieran123

G20's are FUGLY.

They now have an even WIDER sole.....terrible IMO



Try fitting those fuggos into a compact carry bag - not gonna happen. Somebody gonna get hurt real bad!

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites



Originally Posted by Kieran123

G20's are FUGLY.

They now have an even WIDER sole.....terrible IMO

I agree but i saw 3 guys in a row at the john deere classic with Ping G15 irons in the bag and they were sponsored by Taylormade and other brands besides Ping. Was a little surprised by it because the soles are so wide at the same time tho there were tons of guys with blades.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah this happens quite often, Tiger used the original SQ for a good 3 years.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We have to come to the realization that wide soles vs narrow soles, cavity back vs blade, topline etc. is all just personal preference, and often just visual preference.  Pros can play equally well with either, and they can work the ball with either.  I prefer blades or narrow sole thin topline player's cavities, but sometimes my wrist and thumb injuries dictate that I'll go with cavity backs.  I'm a 6-7 and can switch no problem, for these guys it's really nothing at all.

Addressing the OP's question, the advances every year in golf equipment are not completely illusory, but they are driven largely by marketing and the desire for top dollar.  Good for them, they should try and sell as many $400 drivers as they can.  But I've hit all the major drivers from the last 7-8 years, and again, it's largely just personal preference.  If I hit the 909 or 910 noticeably better than my 907 I might switch, but I'd be lying to myself if I said I did.

Originally Posted by motteler621

I agree but i saw 3 guys in a row at the john deere classic with Ping G15 irons in the bag and they were sponsored by Taylormade and other brands besides Ping. Was a little surprised by it because the soles are so wide at the same time tho there were tons of guys with blades.



0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree, but why wouldn't they be?  It's their big GI club.  I15/I20s are smaller, and S56 irons are similar to a blade.

Originally Posted by Kieran123

G20's are FUGLY.

They now have an even WIDER sole.....terrible IMO



0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites


Originally Posted by max power

We have to come to the realization that wide soles vs narrow soles, cavity back vs blade, topline etc. is all just personal preference, and often just visual preference.  Pros can play equally well with either, and they can work the ball with either.  I prefer blades or narrow sole thin topline player's cavities, but sometimes my wrist and thumb injuries dictate that I'll go with cavity backs.  I'm a 6-7 and can switch no problem, for these guys it's really nothing at all.

Addressing the OP's question, the advances every year in golf equipment are not completely illusory, but they are driven largely by marketing and the desire for top dollar.  Good for them, they should try and sell as many $400 drivers as they can.  But I've hit all the major drivers from the last 7-8 years, and again, it's largely just personal preference.  If I hit the 909 or 910 noticeably better than my 907 I might switch, but I'd be lying to myself if I said I did.



yea not to mention it was the last day and those players were like 12 under par so its working for them. Ive read you can hit like a foot behind the ball with the G15's and the ball still goes, Those pros I saw with them seemed like they were just trying to get better any way they could which is probably why they have them in the bag, They make bad swings too, it just costs them 1,000's of dollars when this happens,

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites


Not quite. But, if they feel they get better performance from a GI shovel, that's what the guys will play. A lot of folks chuckle at certain players playing GI irons, or having a bag full of hybrids. But the PGA tour, especially for 'average' guys, isn't like other pro sports. You only make what you win at tournaments. For those guys, if it's a choice between vanity and staying on tour, they'll choose to stay on tour. I'd rather pay my mortgage than play blades.

Originally Posted by motteler621

yea not to mention it was the last day and those players were like 12 under par so its working for them. Ive read you can hit like a foot behind the ball with the G15's and the ball still goes

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As far as the original premise of the thread goes...I'd say that there's a higher percentage of guys with 'dated' equipment in their bags than guys that don't. Many if not most of the old school equipment contracts (that tied a guy to a certain product and lead to many horror stories with guys having to play irons they couldn't hit or work or score with at all) don't really exist anymore. Steve Stricker comes to mind. Here's a guy sponsored by Titleist, a fine equipment manufacturer, and I don't think he plays their current line of anything except for wedges if you can really count those.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0



  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • 2017 TST Partners

    PING Golf
    Leupold Golf
    Snell Golf
    Talamore Golf Resort
    Lowest Score Wins
  • Posts

    • Because everyone gets bored of blue skies now and again! Crazy winds and serious mood-lighting! First hole has the signature lighthouse behind the green and a great linksy fairway, second is a 114 yard par three that played about 140 yesterday.  
    • A good afternoon of birthday practice yesterday. Did a lot of short game work and went out to the course way after the last tee time to put them in practice in 'real' situations. Finally I did a nice putting drill to gauge areas to focus on - this will be a bit of a regular thing that I go back to now and again to judge progress. A few photos from on-course work: Downwind - 15mph and dispersion from shots at 125 yards, 115, 100 and 75. Nearly pulled the wedge from 75 into a bunker, which would have been horrendous, so that's a bit worse than it looks. Delighted with the rest and all on the middle tier of a three tier green. After about 10 minutes of practising, from 50 yards using a variety of clubs (furthest to nearest) - putter, wedge, hybrid chip. Had to come up a big tier, so pretty pleased with this. Hybrid chip was the right play in that it took the tier out of play, but my default would have always been wedge. Just nice to add another shot to my game - although it will need more practice. Putting: Just need to make more inside 10 feet. Great not to have any 3 putts though! Hole Ft Break Score 1 Score 2 Score 3 Score 4 Score 5 1.         3ft Straight 1         2.         6ft R/L uphill 1         3.         9ft L/R downhill 2         4.         12ft R/L downhill 2         5.         15ft L/R 2         6.         4ft slight break downhill 1         7.         8ft R/L 2         8.         12ft L/R 2         9.         16ft L/R downhill 2         10.     20ft L/R uphill 2         11.     5ft slight break 2         12.     10ft L/R 2         13.     15ft R/L 2         14.     20ft Straightish 1         15.     25ft Double Break 2         16.     6ft R/L downhill 2         17.     33ft Slight uphill 2         18.     45ft Slight downhill 2         Total 32         Strokes Gained -2.81        
    • 26/2/17 - more slow takeaway work. Heading to the range later and will spend time really working on transitioning this work to full swing. I think the feel needs to be that my left arm is glued to my stomach, but will check with video later.
    • Thank you! Got out for a few holes so it was a good day in spite of work!
    • 2/25: Played two rounds today with dad at a different course than usual. Shot 96 and 93. A few nice strings of pars and made several amazing putts (). Mostly bogeys other than that but managed a couple of absolute blow-up holes in each round that helped to guarantee 90+ scores from an otherwise very nice day of golf. I could complain about "sand-traps" sans-a-single-spec-of-sand with 10-foot wide puddles in them, or mushy fairways, or waiting 5-minutes for the 4-some in front of you on every shot, but there wasn't a notes field on the scorecard.  Practice is paying off, though. Hit my drives farther than ever, draws when I wanted them, and the fade didn't let me down when I needed it. 3/4 "flighted" shots are the new go-to approach of choice all the way out to 160+ with my 3-iron, and (n)GIRs have jumped up considerably. I've rambled on about my short-game improvements before, but it continues. Holed a pitch shot from about 10 yards and stopped 2 others 6 inches from the pin. Gotta play some more rounds from the front so I get used to stringing pars together. Realized today that I don't just get nervous about it, I also get cocky. Weird combination. 
  • TST Blog Entries

  • Blog Entries

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. Catcher20
      Catcher20
      (27 years old)
    2. JD15
      JD15
      (52 years old)
  • Get Great Gear with Amazon