Rory Mcilroy: More Talent than Tiger?

[michaeljames92]

I'd say that's probably pretty fair. I remember watching him at the British Open at Carnoustie. Was the the most amazing play from a young player I'd ever seen.  I'll be interested to see how Seung-yul Noh progresses in the next 3-4 years. He flat out bombs it, and decent short game too.

Originally Posted by Shorty

Anyone who can't see that Rory McIlroy is the most "naturally gifted" player in the last decade is not looking hard enough.

[colin007]

when is tigers next tournament?

[Kieran123]

End of Jan

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by x129

In golf talent is always defined as having a pretty swing that goes for miles. For some reason being able to sink 10 foot putts 20% more often than the average PGA pro doesn't count as being talented. But driving 10% farther does. The first will win you more tournaments though.

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Originally Posted by boogielicious

The only reason people use "talent" in a comparison is to provoke discussion or cause controversy.  No one ever defines what "Talent" means.  They just state, "so and so is more talented".  We here is every year in every sport.  The Dallas Cowboys have the most talent in the NFL.  Man U is the most talented Football team in Europe.  The Miami Heat with LeBron is the most talented team in the NBA.

What is the measurement?  It is never objectively defined.  We're all just supposed to know what "talent" is.

For golf, is it swing speed, accuracy, putting, short game stats, long game stats, etc.?  It's not defined by the person making the comparison, so it provokes discussion and controversy.

Rory is an excellent golfer at a young age and has won a bunch so far.  Tiger is older, was an excellent golfer at a young age, won a lot and is still winning.

In Massachusetts speak, "they are both Wicked Talented!!"

I think people were fairly quick to call Ben Crenshaw and Loren Roberts talented, but yeah, not the way they fawn over people who bomb it.  That's where Daly was truly underrated though - around (and on) the greens he was deadly too.

[colin007]

Originally Posted by Kieran123

End of Jan

what???  for reals?  hes not playing anything in dubai or UAE or something like that this month?

[deasy55]

He's playing with Santa Claus in the Dubai Christmas Shootout in a few weeks

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Originally Posted by colin007

what???  for reals?  hes not playing anything in dubai or UAE or something like that this month?

[JML22]

No point in debating talent but tiger has had some of the most entertaining shots regardless.

The context isnt really there but i still like this one the most

[BigBird]

Yea, when you think how good Rory is, it really puts into perspective how good Tiger was at that age. He'd won a couple of majors.

As for 'talent', it's a tough one. We all know how hard Tiger worked as a kid, so its hard to tell where the talent and sheer hard work merged together.

I'd go with Tiger though.

[deasy55]

A bit nitpicky, but Tiger only had 1 major win at 22 also. His 2nd major was the '99 PGA at the age of 23 and 8ish months.

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Yea, when you think how good Rory is, it really puts into perspective how good Tiger was at that age. He'd won a couple of majors.

[Zwick]

You should look at how many years they have been pros, not their age.

[deasy55]

I'm not sure I fully agree with that. Some players decide to learn their trade by playing college golf in America, others decide to learn their trade by becoming pro. I don't think turning pro as a 20/21 year old straight out of 3 or so years of college golf can be compared to a fresh faced 16/17 year old turning pro and trying to make it.

Originally Posted by Zwick

You should look at how many years they have been pros, not their age.

[Kieran123]

Originally Posted by deasy55

I'm not sure I fully agree with that. Some players decide to learn their trade by playing college golf in America, others decide to learn their trade by becoming pro. I don't think turning pro as a 20/21 year old straight out of 3 or so years of college golf can be compared to a fresh faced 16/17 year old turning pro and trying to make it.

Ty Tryon is a good example of an ultimate fail turning pro so young ( 16 I think? )

Too much, too soon.

[deasy55]

And at the other end you have players like Seve Ballesteros turning pro at 16 and having fantastic careers

Originally Posted by Kieran123

Ty Tryon is a good example of an ultimate fail turning pro so young ( 16 I think? )

Too much, too soon.

[Kieran123]

Originally Posted by deasy55

And at the other end you have players like Seve Ballesteros turning pro at 16 and having fantastic careers

I wonder if the era had anything to do with that.

Ty was bombarded with endorsements and expectations....I wonder if Seve was, maybe he was, but I doubt to the same dgeree

[deasy55]

Perhaps. I was too young (10) to remember the hype surrounding Ty and the pressure put on him the year he turned pro. I remember him being on one of the Tiger Woods PGA Tour games though, which says enough about the hype!

Justin Rose turned pro at 17 after finishing T4 at the Open and missed his first 21 cuts...he managed to turn that around though somewhat!

Originally Posted by Kieran123

I wonder if the era had anything to do with that.

Ty was bombarded with endorsements and expectations....I wonder if Seve was, maybe he was, but I doubt to the same dgeree

[x129]

More likely just personality and  a bit of luck. If you fail, your choice will always be criticized.  If you succeed, you made the right one.

Originally Posted by Kieran123

I wonder if the era had anything to do with that.

Ty was bombarded with endorsements and expectations....I wonder if Seve was, maybe he was, but I doubt to the same dgeree

[Tiger90]

To me, Talent is getting the ball in the hole in the least amount of strokes possibe.  It doesnt matte if you are luke donald and sink every putt, or Seve and make birdie from 3 holes over.

Tiger has been the best ive ever seen (never saw jack, arnie or seve play) at getting the ball in the hole.  He may not drive the ball well, but he sank any putt he needed to, and made some miraculous recovery shots no one could have imagined possible.  Tiger has raw golf talent that has since to be matched.

BUT, Rory has not had the chance to do so, he may not have won the masters by 12 strokes his first year, which i think gives Tiger a lot of points in the talent category, but he may make up for it in some other way.

I Think we just need to wait and see what happens with Rory...im certainly excited to find out

ANd.....on a side not, iacas,

how do you say "John Daly has more talent on his pinkie, that Tiger does in his hole body"  This just confuses me and makes me laugh very hard, i dont understand...please elaborate

[jamo]

how do you say "John Daly has more talent on his pinkie, that Tiger does in his hole body"  This just confuses me and makes me laugh very hard, i dont understand...please elaborate

Because most people don't define talent the way you do. To most people, talent is independent of hard work. John Daly's never done a "Tiger day" in his life, or anything close to it. If Tiger was always as lazy as Daly, we might not ever have heard of him. Daly can get away with it, to some extent.