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2 hours ago, boogielicious said:

It is still invalid.

The original post is fine. My quote is unchanged, so that link is still invalid.

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3 hours ago, boogielicious said:

It is still invalid.

Here's the link: http://www.gamegolf.com/player/johnbach/round/926227#r:248898274067200364

The putts were not tagged correctly and didn't bother to edit. The last putt of each hole tagged is much closer to the hole than indicated, the smartphone app is one Pain In The Ass to use, didn't bother trying to tag correctly the last putt in. The belt unit is worth the buy.

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14 minutes ago, nevets88 said:

the smartphone app is one Pain In The Ass to use, didn't bother trying to tag correctly the last putt in. The belt unit is worth the buy.

I tried to use it once when I forgot my belt unit at home. Quit after the 3rd hole. There are times I can use the GPS for yardages, but I didn't like using the app.

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Able to do KH drill w/2 balls. Still shaky, but getting the hang of the rhythm and tempo and not thinking.

Curious to see how swinging w/an alignment stick as an extension would be like, it keeps the BS short, but not enough Key #2 and hip/core is "saggy".

 

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Forgot tripod, forgot dry erase, forgot alignment sticks. Whatever. Trying to keep upper and lower body in sync, lower body gets ahead, hands faster, lower body not active enough, think KH drill. Driver A8-A9, shaft steep, need to be more rotated at impact? Let the lead wrist extend more? Getting better at not being grip boy.

 

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Maybe you should forget the tripod, dry erase, and alignment sticks more often. Those swings look pretty good to me!

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1 hour ago, boogielicious said:

Maybe you should forget the tripod, dry erase, and alignment sticks more often. Those swings look pretty good to me!

Thanks, lol, I'm just posting the good swings.

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Pitches - trying to engage core more.

 

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First couple of range swings since playing a lot and not going to range, discovered sucking the club in too much and way across the line at the top. Didn't take video on course, perhaps should have. Got it back to way it was in 5 minutes. On course swing was probably letting hips rotate out too soon. Restricting hips more, especially from 1-2, shallowing out club earlier right before 4. letting it go, whipping it behind and around 5-7. Slowly getting better at letting athleticism taking over, not worrying about what's happening during the swing. Feels more armsy from the top, more lower body towards the end. Can probably let arms take over more 9.5 and onwards, upper body dominant around there.

 

Think these positions are pretty good w/respect to not thinking of hitting these positions although rate of closure might be too fast in the last frame.

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Can probably get the arms more in front, a little faster.

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Hopefully this question won't come off in the wrong way -- I mean it as a compliment! But if I may ask, assuming it's accurate, why are you a 20 handicap? All pure stats, themselves, aside, just from your personal experience, what do you think is holding you back from scoring the most? Because you certainly have an awesome looking swing. 

Guessing, I'm a similar-ish handicap and I can say it's definitely the "blowup holes" that are wrecking my scores, and I wouldn't say that there's a particular glaringly horrible aspect of my game. I practice everything, of course. Just curious what your two cents are about your own game! 

Nice swing, and sorry for hijacking your thread a little. :-)

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5 hours ago, amoline said:

Hopefully this question won't come off in the wrong way -- I mean it as a compliment! But if I may ask, assuming it's accurate, why are you a 20 handicap? All pure stats, themselves, aside, just from your personal experience, what do you think is holding you back from scoring the most? Because you certainly have an awesome looking swing. 

Guessing, I'm a similar-ish handicap and I can say it's definitely the "blowup holes" that are wrecking my scores, and I wouldn't say that there's a particular glaringly horrible aspect of my game. I practice everything, of course. Just curious what your two cents are about your own game! 

Nice swing, and sorry for hijacking your thread a little. :-)

Thanks @amoline, definitely not a hijack, a very valid question. It's basically not playing enough, last year was a wash, basically spent most of the time on the range and thinking too much, too technical. Playing more this year and learning to get out of my own way, focus on score, playing golf, not swing.

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Lesson w/Preston. Discovered a setup flaw that should really help lower scores, especially off the tee. Was setting up at target but when aimpoint was far off, thought aimpoint was well right of target, problems with parallelism and adjusted swing accordingly which resulted in a lot of shanks, and happened often enough and was totally flummoxed as to why since forever. Shanked like 10 balls during the lesson, then none when aiming towards pins 75 yards away. Preston demonstrated how to get the aimpoint right, played 9 recently and everything off the tee was very playable plus solid contact and ball flight which makes golf a lot more enjoyable.  Hopefully this is a breakthrough discovery, it will be huge if it is. Noticed. I do the same for this w/short shots if I don't have a great view of target or a funky stance. Everyone and their mother says swing right and I took this very literally.

Also worked on full swing - less hingey to and from A4. Plus pitching and putting distance control. 

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Life got busy a bit, didn't play much and was losing the feels from last lesson w/Preston so took lessons from a pro he recommended, JT, and so far, really like this pro. Worked on the wrists not being so floppy at 4, key #4 (?) and then hand path, key #4? Hands were going out too fast, shanks among other bad shots. Better cognizance of wrists being hingey at 4 and how to keep them from being too floppy - feel like wrists are unhinging at 4, clubhead really far away from body, not a powerful feeling, but that's probably related to hands going out too fast.

Also got hand path to not go out  so much while laying down shaft, but this is the harder move to master, but I can really shallow it, see last vid, harder with the longer clubs though and the tendency is to shallow late, want to shallow earlier. Hand path going out was probably why it didn't feel "powerful" when wrists weren't overhinging. With wrists not floppy and hand path more "in", feels like there's more torque to unwind.

Longer clubs are more solid, even when shaft is a tad steep, not too offline.

 

 

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Same stuff. Wrist conditions - less hinging at 4, lay down shaft from 4, arms in, flex lead wrist - probably not doing this so well. Lead arm parallel with shoulder plane at 4. A little flippy at impact, left arm bent too. 

 

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Better control of flailing wrists at the top w/the long clubs, over hinging less, arms closer to body on the way down, lay down shaft, more lead wrist flexion from 1 to 7, left shoulder "down" from the top.

 

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Still at it keeping the wrists from over hinging at the top. The feel is to feel no hinge at A4, but on camera, just hinging a tad less than previously. Club head feels like it's a lot farther away. A little steep from the top, but getting better at shallowing w/less hinge at the top. Can get a little quick, but seeing that strikes are better when the swing is "shorter". Encouraging to see at A4 club is much shorter of parallel than usual.

 

 

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More of the same, becoming more automatic, still feels weird, but a lot less weird.

 

Here's one with keeping hinge in check and a lot of shallowing. Shaft is pointing ~6 inches outside ball A6. Combining less hinge and more shallowing at higher speeds is tough.

 

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