Opponent refused to putt in tournament play.

[barbm12thtee]

I played in a County Championship and my opponent was on the green and about 40 feet from the hole. I was off the green about 10 feet from the hole. She was waiting for me to go and I told her she was away. She insisted it was my turn and wouldn't go. So I did go just to keep it moving. I wonder if she should have incurred a penalty?

[Dormie1360]

I don't see a penalty in your case.  In stroke play, there are very few instances where playing out of turn actually leads to a penalty. You used the term "opponent".   I'm curious, was this Match Play?

Edit: If Match Play

Technically speaking, you "broke" the rule in Match Play.  When you played out of turn, you "agreed" to playing out of turn.  As the penalty statement in match play is for the opponent to recall the stroke, in your case this would not applicable because it was your opponent's idea..

If you had made a valid, timely claim, (Rule 2-5)  it  would be different.

[TJBam]

If she is on the green, but 40 feet away.  And you are OFF the green, but only 10 feet from the pin, I believe you are still away being that you are off the green.

[Slice of Life]

Originally Posted by TJBam

If she is on the green, but 40 feet away.  And you are OFF the green, but only 10 feet from the pin, I believe you are still away being that you are off the green.

I was gonna say the same thing.

And who cares? Ready golf, just hit your ball.

[Asheville]

Originally Posted by TJBam

If she is on the green, but 40 feet away.  And you are OFF the green, but only 10 feet from the pin, I believe you are still away being that you are off the green.

Away means farther from the hole.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Asheville

Away means farther from the hole.

Yup.

There have been times in match play situations that players have had to play from bunkers AFTER someone hits a putt from on the green because they're closer than the one who putts.

[trackster]

Originally Posted by Asheville

Away means farther from the hole.

I'm not sure of that.  In Mario golf for the N64, if you are off the green and the other player is on the green, the person off the green is always away.  I've learned a lot of the rules of golf from that game.

Nvm, I googled it and I was wrong.

[Slice of Life]

After research, she should have putted first *technically*.

Originally Posted by trackster

I'm not sure of that.  In Mario golf for the N64, if you are off the green and the other player is on the green, the person off the green is always away.  I've learned a lot of the rules of golf from that game.

lol

[Dormie1360]

Originally Posted by Slice of Life

I was gonna say the same thing.

And who cares? Ready golf, just hit your ball.

Ouch.    I'm guessing you have not played a lot of competitive Match Play.

[TJBam]

After doing some research I've found that I've been wrong for some time.  Glad to learn a new rule, will have to share it w the partners.

[Slice of Life]

Originally Posted by Dormie1360

Ouch.    I'm guessing you have not played a lot of competitive Match Play.

Ouch? I don't think I said anything mean. I'm just saying why make it a big deal? I know ladies first is important, but just chip in and make her regret her decision. ;-)

[trackster]

Originally Posted by Slice of Life

Ouch? I don't think I said anything mean. I'm just saying why make it a big deal? I know ladies first is important, but just chip in and make her regret her decision. ;-)

It's ouch because in match play if you play out of order your opponent can make you cancel your play and replay it.

[barbm12thtee]

It wasn't match play it was stroke play. I know that furthest from the hole putts. I would have gained an advantage by watching her putt first. It amazes me how many people believe if a ball is on the green and another ball off the green the player off the green automatically goes first. I always play ready golf except in cases like this. So is refusing to play a penalty? Just good to know this.

[Slice of Life]

Originally Posted by trackster

It's ouch because in match play if you play out of order your opponent can make you cancel your play and replay it.

He didn't indicate match play?

[Rulesman]

It wasn't match play it was stroke play. So is refusing to play a penalty? Just good to know this.

1) Why say she was your opponent? 2) She could have been penalised for 'undue delay' but not for 'playing out of turn'.

[Slice of Life]

Originally Posted by Rulesman

1) Why say she was your opponent?

2) She could have been penalised for 'undue delay' but not for 'playing out of turn'.

It's a golf tournament...anyone that isn't him, is his opponent.

[barbm12thtee]

Thank you Rulesman. She wasn't my "opponent" as that would be match play and this wasn't. I guess she was my "competitor"? I guess I could have held my ground and made her putt, held up the rest of the field and waited for a ruling. But hey "while we're young!"

[Slice of Life]

Originally Posted by barbm12thtee

Thank you Rulesman. She wasn't my "opponent" as that would be match play and this wasn't. I guess she was my "competitor"? I guess I could have held my ground and made her putt, held up the rest of the field and waited for a ruling. But hey "while we're young!"

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