My Swing (Abu3baid)

[Abu3baid]

Pictures tell 1000 words. FYI Na Yeon Choi averages 250 yds off the tee with 75% accuracy. She is said to have one of the best swings on either tour. A little selfish too, since I would like to use NYC for my own swing model when my knee gets healthy again. I'm not picking on you. I spent quite a bit of time putting these together today for you.

A4:

Here's one just after A4 where your hips get parallel to the target line at the start of your downswing. I'll call this A4.5. You've dropped down, and it appears like you're going to come from the inside out with a fairly flat plane, but something happens.

A5 here, your swing plane steepens. It looks like you engaged your right side too soon and this brought your right shoulder out too quickly. It's like pulling with a slack rope, and everything from here on is a compensation:

A6 - note how your club head is now outside:

A7 You had to bring the club head back in to compensate for throwing your right side too quickly at A4.5:

A9 - This tells the story. You had an outside-in path across the ball. Notice the difference in shaft positions in relation to the shoulders.

Originally Posted by billchao

This perfectly illustrates exactly what @Abu3baid needs to and has been working on. His shoulders have rotated and his arms haven't come down enough. Notice how "not deep" his hands are.

Nice comparison, Julia.

Thanks Julia, I think fighting the over the top move has always been an issue from the day I started, but there were so many things to work out first mainly the steady head I have just started really working on this for the past 2 - 3 months and I finally have a feel that works (which is pulling my arm down), but my issue is that my hips and shoulders just turn too fast and I end up compensating like you mentioned to just be able to get contact.  The left picture is from a month ago, so at least I am making a little bit of progress!

Below is my other priority piece which was translating the head on the DS, they are all one month a part and finally I think I am making some good progress on it!  I'll wait and see what my coach thinks about the progress and how I can start really addressing my OTT.

[Abu3baid]

On the 18th today

[RandallT]

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrvFrShow

Pictures tell 1000 words. FYI Na Yeon Choi averages 250 yds off the tee with 75% accuracy. She is said to have one of the best swings on either tour. A little selfish too, since I would like to use NYC for my own swing model when my knee gets healthy again. I'm not picking on you. I spent quite a bit of time putting these together today for you.

A4:

Here's one just after A4 where your hips get parallel to the target line at the start of your downswing. I'll call this A4.5. You've dropped down, and it appears like you're going to come from the inside out with a fairly flat plane, but something happens.

A5 here, your swing plane steepens. It looks like you engaged your right side too soon and this brought your right shoulder out too quickly. It's like pulling with a slack rope, and everything from here on is a compensation:

A6 - note how your club head is now outside:

A7 You had to bring the club head back in to compensate for throwing your right side too quickly at A4.5:

A9 - This tells the story. You had an outside-in path across the ball. Notice the difference in shaft positions in relation to the shoulders.

Quote:

Originally Posted by billchao

This perfectly illustrates exactly what @Abu3baid needs to and has been working on. His shoulders have rotated and his arms haven't come down enough. Notice how "not deep" his hands are.

Nice comparison, Julia.

Thanks Julia, I think fighting the over the top move has always been an issue from the day I started, but there were so many things to work out first mainly the steady head I have just started really working on this for the past 2 - 3 months and I finally have a feel that works (which is pulling my arm down), but my issue is that my hips and shoulders just turn too fast and I end up compensating like you mentioned to just be able to get contact.  The left picture is from a month ago, so at least I am making a little bit of progress!

Below is my other priority piece which was translating the head on the DS, they are all one month a part and finally I think I am making some good progress on it!  I'll wait and see what my coach thinks about the progress and how I can start really addressing my OTT.

Great stuff. Looks like your head moved from one width to a half width to no widths.

[Abu3baid]

Finally some sort of break through today with my lowest score of ever at 94 strokes for a par 73. The main reason I was able to shoot 94 is my ability to actually keep most of my driver and 3w in play and hitting them a reasonable distance. Where did I lose most of my shots? 1st hole par 5 - bad push fade, but found the fairway bunker of hole 9. 1 shot to get out (didn't hit far at all) and was able to hit it nice to about 10 yards of the green.. Got on and 2 putts later a bogy. (Shot lost because I was in the FB and I'm still not going to dedicate any practice time to that yet) Hole 2 par 4 - long push with the 3w, 54* to the right of the green, pitch hits Palm tree and lands on edged of green (I think this one of the shot lost), then I chipped on and 2 putted from the fringe. (Double Bogy another shot lost) Hole 3 par 5 - long push slice OB (2 shots lost) then stripped down the middle with 3w, 7i into the hazard (played wrong club, 1 penalty shot lost but at least the ball advanced), 60* on the green and 2 putts later I have a triple. Hole 4 par 3 171 yards - hit 6i slightly to the left of green fringe 10 yards past hole. Couldn't get up and down (stroke lost on either not getting my GIR or my ability to up and down from an easy spot). Bogy Hole 5 - 5h nice first shot , 170 yards to the flag I fat it, then 60* on to the green and two putt (fat shot the culprit here) Bogy Hole 6 par 3 - fat another (this time a 9i), 60* to the green and 2 putt. (Fat shot strikes again) Bogy Hole 7 par 5 - Long drive straight, 3w slightly fat but still 220, 60* to 10 feet and couldn't sink that for birdie finally 1st par of the day) Hole 8 par 4 - sky shot with the driver - 6i slightly fat in the bunker near the green, nice bunker shot on the green and two putt for Bogy (that sky shot put me in a tough spot) Hole 9 par 4 - stripped down the middle driver, 8i skull shot (ended up right of green) pitched it to 6 inches 1 putt for par. Front 9 - 2 pars / 5 bogies / 1 double / 1 triple (10 over) Back nine - pretty much more of the same.. 2 pars , 5 bogies , 1 double but with a quad instead of a triple for 11 over on the back 9. Take away? Work more on the driver and 3 wood and then worry about the irons.. Probably need to spend a little time on putting as I can't hit anything outside 3 feet, but not concerned about my pitching as it is my strong part of my game! I will go ahead and fill out the SV sheet so that I can quantify my results and build expectations accordingly! From the course today

[Lihu]

Great posts. Nice work on key 1! I now see what you wanted to see from my swing thread regarding my swing progress. . .

[billchao]

Finally some sort of break through today with my lowest score of ever at 94 strokes for a par 73.

Nice round, Eyad. I think your assessed your round well. The only thing I see differently than you is this: driving definitely seems like the priority, but you had contact issues with your long game, in general. I don't think you should neglect your irons for your woods just yet. Working on your irons should improve your 3w contact, anyway. [quote name="Abu3baid" url="/t/69581/my-swing-abu3baid/540#post_1103151"] From the course today [/quote]That's pretty awesome. Just stay far, far away from them :-)

[Abu3baid]

Great posts. Nice work on key 1! I now see what you wanted to see from my swing thread regarding my swing progress. . .

Yes, and I I just played for the first time in like 3 weeks, the rest if the time it has been just me practicing and working on changing the picture.. 5s of practice! (Although I'm not saying if I had the opportunity like you to play all the time that i wouldn't) :) [quote name="billchao" url="/t/69581/my-swing-abu3baid/540_10#post_1103155"] Nice round, Eyad. I think your assessed your round well. The only thing I see differently than you is this: driving definitely seems like the priority, but you had contact issues with your long game, in general. I don't think you should neglect your irons for your woods just yet. Working on your irons should improve your 3w contact, anyway. That's pretty awesome. Just stay far, far away from them :-)[/quote] You are right, I should have been more specific.. What I mean is that I will continue sending my driver swings to evolvr until Brian thinks I should move on to irons.. I will continue practicing itons of course, but within the priority pieces of my driver/3w. My contact is off just like you said and this is related to key1 and my low point being foreign to me because of the slowly changing path and my head position at the point of impact! Yeah, they are in like a middle area protected from the rest of us golfers :). I would never mess with those things, they tower over me LOL!

[RandallT]

That's pretty awesome. Just stay far, far away from them

And don't confuse any of their droppings for your ball. That's a penalty.

[billchao]

You are right, I should have been more specific.. What I mean is that I will continue sending my driver swings to evolvr until Brian thinks I should move on to irons.. I will continue practicing itons of course, but within the priority pieces of my driver/3w. My contact is off just like you said and this is related to key1 and my low point being foreign to me because of the slowly changing path and my head position at the point of impact!

Cool. You know what you're doing, keep up the good work! [quote name="Abu3baid" url="/t/69581/my-swing-abu3baid/540#post_1103156"] Yeah, they are in like a middle area [b]protecting[/b] the rest of us golfers :). I would never mess with those things, they tower over me LOL![/quote]FTFY :-P [Spoiler=OT Ostrich Stuff]Seriously, those things are dangerous. They're capable of killing lions, and can easily kill a human with a single blow. Even domesticated ostriches are known to kill farmers under stressful situations.[/spoiler]

[Abu3baid]

Working in weight forward drill because I started to spin out too much with my hips.. Edit: working on this because it was identified by Brian as my priority. I'm doing the drill slightly faster than I wanted, but had to get them in before the kids come storming into the room. I'm using the chair as my check point.. My back foot is doing much better in banking than the weight automatically going to the toe. Thoughts or suggestions? [video]http://youtu.be/bL35SYMw-9o[\video]

[Abu3baid]

Still working on weight forward, but paying more attention to the shaft laying down and my hands coming from the inside on the DS. I'm really happy that my back foot is no longer going to the toe as I initiate the DS and this is a good sign that the picture is starting to change. Hopefully try and get some vids this week. Worst part is membership is over at the club and it doesn't look like many people want to renew in the group I'm in. If I can't find a group to join it would really limit my range time, and I would never get a membership by myself as that would be around 3k USD instead of the 800 I've been paying for the past 2 years. I hope it works out!

[JonMA1]

Good work on the drill, Eyad. You're really accomplishing what you've described as your priority piece.

How are you at applying changes learned from a drill to a full swing at the ball? If you do the drill enough, does the correction eventually override the flaw?

[GolfLug]

Working in weight forward drill because I started to spin out too much with my hips..

Edit: working on this because it was identified by Brian as my priority.

I'm doing the drill slightly faster than I wanted, but had to get them in before the kids come storming into the room.

I'm using the chair as my check point.. My back foot is doing much better in banking than the weight automatically going to the toe.

Thoughts or suggestions?

Hope you don't mind my commenting. Freeze to let's say 0.18 on your DS. Maybe it's part of your deliberate practice but that is some serious hip 'shove'/shoulder drop behind which will have you hitting 'in' to your lower left. Wouldn't it be better to just rotate your torso over your left leg back and forth? I think will help with 'steady head' key too IMO.

Edit:  Hitting 'in' to your left almost always sets up a push or snap hook move.

[Abu3baid]

Good work on the drill, Eyad. You're really accomplishing what you've described as your priority piece. How are you at applying changes learned from a drill to a full swing at the ball? If you do the drill enough, does the correction eventually override the flaw?

I think depends on the piece some of it starts leaking into my real swing.. My problem is that I am so bad it probably takes a lot longer than other players plus it depends on the piece.. Key#4 is a monster of a key that I have just not been able to get down at all.. Although I think it is getting better finally, buy to the detriment of other things unfortunately. I will most likely need a one on one sometime in the future to be able to make major steps forward, although I am going to work as hard as I can to do so before then! [quote name="GolfLug" url="/t/69581/my-swing-abu3baid/550_10#post_1108188"] Hope you don't mind my commenting. Freeze to let's say 0.18 on your DS. Maybe it's part of your deliberate practice but that is some serious hip 'shove'/shoulder drop behind which will have you hitting 'in' to your lower left. Wouldn't it be better to just rotate your torso over your left leg back and forth? I think will help with 'steady head' key too IMO.  Edit:  Hitting 'in' to your left almost always sets up a push or snap hook move. [/quote] You are correct, I am just over exaggerating a lot, really feeling my hips move forward trying to get some secondary axis tilt. I might be overdoing it, but with my actual swing I am no where near that. Although, I'd I'm able to make my miss a push with an occasional push hook or straight draw it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world now, it would be an improvement on the push slice and pull hook two way miss I have. I appreciate your feedback though, thank you.

[GolfLug]

I think depends on the piece some of it starts leaking into my real swing.. My problem is that I am so bad it probably takes a lot longer than other players plus it depends on the piece.. Key#4 is a monster of a key that I have just not been able to get down at all.. Although I think it is getting better finally, buy to the detriment of other things unfortunately.

I will most likely need a one on one sometime in the future to be able to make major steps forward, although I am going to work as hard as I can to do so before then!

You are correct, I am just over exaggerating a lot, really feeling my hips move forward trying to get some secondary axis tilt. I might be overdoing it, but with my actual swing I am no where near that.

Although, I'd I'm able to make my miss a push with an occasional push hook or straight draw it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world now, it would be an improvement on the push slice and pull hook two way miss I have.

I appreciate your feedback though, thank you.

Thought so. BTW for 2ndary axis tilt it is better to feel like you are hitting into or leading with your left rib cage (in other words lead with your left side of torso, not with your hips). Using lower body to pull the club through will only have your arms gasping for air trying to catch up if you really get used to it. Has been my bad move for years so I know. Good work!

[JonMA1]

I think depends on the piece some of it starts leaking into my real swing.. My problem is that I am so bad it probably takes a lot longer than other players plus it depends on the piece.. Key#4 is a monster of a key that I have just not been able to get down at all.. Although I think it is getting better finally, buy to the detriment of other things unfortunately.

Gotta call BS on this. You are as dedicated as they come. I'm just starting to realize that while the game might come easy to a few, real improvement takes years and not months for the rest of us. When you're shooing in the mid 80's and flirting with 70's, you'll look back on this and wonder why it seemed so hard.

I haven't really started with key 4 as I'm trying to get the first three a bit more refined, but yes, I can imagine it's one of the tougher ones.

Keep at it Eyad.

[Lihu]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abu3baid

I think depends on the piece some of it starts leaking into my real swing.. My problem is that I am so bad it probably takes a lot longer than other players plus it depends on the piece.. Key#4 is a monster of a key that I have just not been able to get down at all.. Although I think it is getting better finally, buy to the detriment of other things unfortunately.

Gotta call BS on this. You are as dedicated as they come. I'm just starting to realize that while the game might come easy to a few, real improvement takes years and not months for the rest of us. When you're shooing in the mid 80's and flirting with 70's, you'll look back on this and wonder why it seemed so hard.

I haven't really started with key 4 as I'm trying to get the first three a bit more refined, but yes, I can imagine it's one of the tougher ones.

Keep at it Eyad.

Yes, it does take years (or 10,000 strikes as Hogan stated). I'm still working on the first two keys (much less any of the other keys). More precisely, I will begin again when my new swing feels more natural, and it is only just starting to feel less awkward. The swing takes so long to develop, even though we feel like such a simple motion shouldn't take much of anything to learn, it does .

Then you need to get a feel for the short game, that's also equally hard. Putting is after that for me, then strategy. Everything about this game is hard. . .

[JonMA1]

Yes, it does take years (or 10,000 strikes as Hogan stated). I'm still working on the first two keys (much less any of the other keys). More precisely, I will begin again when my new swing feels more natural, and it is only just starting to feel less awkward. The swing takes so long to develop, even though we feel like such a simple motion shouldn't take much of anything to learn, it does.

Then you need to get a feel for the short game, that's also equally hard. Putting is after that for me, then strategy. Everything about this game is hard. . .

You do realize we are all a bunch of nut jobs.

I went to the simulator the other day with high expectations. Started hitting the "range" with each club, recording average distance, dispersement, etc. I was all over the place with only about 1 out of 5 going long and straight. Started to get a little frustrated - nothing embarrassing - just shaking my head kind of stuff. The owner came over and told me to really relax my grip on the club. Told me to hit a 100 yard shot with the 5 iron, using a nice easy swing. I'm not #@^ing you, I hit that ball longer and straighter than I had been for the previous hour. It felt like I was just letting club fall into the "slot" and letting my body's momentum carry it through the ball (hard to describe). Tried it with the 4 iron, same thing. All center of the face, no hooks or slices, just solid contact and balanced finishes. Now I'm hitting 4 out of 5 long and straight. This lasted until I got to my driver at which point I was back to "swinging for the fences", hooking, slicing, stumbling and bumbling.

I don't know which I need more, lessons or medication.

Back on topic... One thing I think you are doing correctly Eyad, is keeping your head and eyes down at where the ball was a bit after "contact".