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Hello sandtrap! I usually do not enjoy being in traps but I heard there is a dicussion going on.

I have worked with zerocomp for quite some time and I would like to publicly fire him as my personal guru.

So that I do not get in trouble for not talking about the golf: I will now be working on thrusting my lower body out of its tilt so that my handle can raise through impact. DISTANCE!

-bogeybogeltorp-

We've seen this act before, and you've earned an immediate restriction from this thread.

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Wtf just happened?

Cary and "bogeltorp" have a regular comedy act going, and have repeated it enough that their pattern is well established. We're not interested in playing such games. Cary is free to - in fact, he's been implored to - share actual information so that we may discuss it, and has, thus far, failed spectacularly to do so.

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We've seen this act before, and you've earned an immediate restriction from this thread.

[quote name="iacas" url="/t/71453/the-lower-body-lie-that-is-devastating-golf/90#post_928905"] You'll find that one of the things long-time members of this forum like is that threads stay on topic. I fail to understand how discussing the wrists is relevant to "The Lower Body" and am deeming this off topic. If you want to discuss the wrists, start another thread. This thread should remain on the topic of the lower body and specifically the "lies" about which people have asked questions and you've failed - thus far - to answer. [/quote] I'm glad you got rid of that BogeyBogelThorpe right away. He is a NO GOOD troublemaker. In order to stay on topic, here is a pic of his lower body action

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Ok. I'll be good.

I'd like to DIRECTLY DISCUSS the role of the right hip in the golf swing:

This is a trace of Ben Hogan's right hip in a 3d model called Blobman, developed by Gregg McHatton.

The rock at the top right corner is his hip at address.

I'm gonna make an attempt at a serious discussion here, knowing full well I'm probably wasting my time, but here goes:

What I see from the path is that Hogan had a centered pivot, then a lateral shift as he rotated his hips open during his swing. It's nothing that I haven't read from the instructors here, and it's certainly nothing I would consider against "modern" golf instruction. I'm not quite sure why you're being weird and cryptic about what your take is on the golf swing unless you're just trolling.

I like to think of myself as a high handicap player with a fairly decent knowledge of swing theory, so please, share your ideas so we can discuss it. I love to learn, and it would certainly demonstrate your ability to express yourself and convey your beliefs.

Bill

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In order to stay on topic, here is a pic of his lower body action

Nope. Sorry. I was perfectly clear.

Final warning: if your next post does not contain answers to many of the relevant questions, is off topic, plays this stupid guessing game crap, or has pictures with no explanation, you're in the Penalty Box for a week. The Penalty Box restricts you from posting anything on this site, in any thread. Any moderator will have this power to decide.

To the Penalty Box for one week you go. I cannot imagine what may become of this thread by the time you return.

My apologies to you, @billchao , but I imagine that if you scroll back through this thread you'll find that @ZeroComp was given multiple chances to do as you requested: " share your ideas so we can discuss…".

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iacas

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Originally Posted by iacas

You'll find that one of the things long-time members of this forum like is that threads stay on topic.

I fail to understand how discussing the wrists is relevant to "The Lower Body" and am deeming this off topic. If you want to discuss the wrists, start another thread. This thread should remain on the topic of the lower body and specifically the "lies" about which people have asked questions and you've failed - thus far - to answer.

I'm glad you got rid of that BogeyBogelThorpe right away. He is a NO GOOD troublemaker.

In order to stay on topic, here is a pic of his lower body action

I don't see any lower body action. All three camera views appear to be at approximately the same moment of impact.

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My apologies to you, @billchao, but I imagine that if you scroll back through this thread you'll find that @ZeroComp was given multiple chances to do as you requested: "share your ideas so we can discuss…".

It's cool. He brought it upon himself; I really wasn't expecting much of a response, anyway.

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Nope. Sorry. I was perfectly clear.

To the Penalty Box for one week you go. I cannot imagine what may become of this thread by the time you return.

My apologies to you, @billchao, but I imagine that if you scroll back through this thread you'll find that @ZeroComp was given multiple chances to do as you requested: "share your ideas so we can discuss…".

Thank You. That Cary was a maniac. As far as I could glean through the entire thread, (he really didn't say much), he wants you to stay in your forward tilt until you strike the ball and return the hands and shaft near the address plane. Big deal. Not exactly earth shattering. I found these clips of the college girl he teaches from the WRX site. If this is what he is trying to get out of a golf swing then we don't need to hear this BS around here anyway


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First post and youre here just to say this?-Seems fishy but giving you benefit doubt for now.[quote name="-OU812-" url="/t/71453/the-lower-body-lie-that-is-devastating-golf/108#post_928957"] Thank You. That Cary was a maniac. As far as I could glean through the entire thread, (he really didn't say much), he wants you to stay in your forward tilt until you strike the ball and return the hands and shaft near the address plane. Big deal. Not exactly earth shattering. I found these clips of the college girl he teaches from the WRX site. If this is what he is trying to get out of a golf swing then we don't need to hear this BS around here anyway [/quote] That is what I could tell too. Others said it. Stay in forward flexion no axis tilt hands exit low and left.

"The expert golfer has maximum time to make minimal compensations. The poorer player has minimal time to make maximum compensations." - And no, I'm not Mac. Please do not PM me about it. I just think he is a crazy MFer and we could all use a little more crazy sometimes.

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Ou812 is cary along with the other 15 people that have/will come on here claiming to have worked with him/support him etc. he pulled this on wrx for a good two weeks. Just kept creating more accounts claiming to be students. You're doing a great thing suspending him so fast. Get rid on this cancer before it gets out of control
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You are probably Cary too.-Prove that youre not.[quote name="ougolf1512" url="/t/71453/the-lower-body-lie-that-is-devastating-golf/108#post_928983"]Ou812 is cary along with the other 15 people that have/will come on here claiming to have worked with him/support him etc. he pulled this on wrx for a good two weeks. Just kept creating more accounts claiming to be students. You're doing a great thing suspending him so fast. Get rid on this cancer before it gets out of control[/quote]

"The expert golfer has maximum time to make minimal compensations. The poorer player has minimal time to make maximum compensations." - And no, I'm not Mac. Please do not PM me about it. I just think he is a crazy MFer and we could all use a little more crazy sometimes.

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I don't have stupid pictures to post, I don't make posts claiming I have answers and then never answer them nor will I be posting here again. I am simply a person that frequents another site that saw this clown get out of control with his ridiculous posts and 20 fake screen names. Just my two cents, get rid of this clown and his split personalities
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As we say on the motorcycle racing forum....The Stoopid is strong in this thread..Grown men acting like kids have a name, attention *****s.

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Can I just recommend this thread get deleted never to be mentioned again and move on... Now that what ever his name is on penelty I think we can move on with our life... What a relief!
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I did it with golf balls this time hoping that its less offensive than rocks. The yellow balls would be the right hip motion from address to its impact location which is designated at the red tee: [IMG the ALT=""]http://thesandtrap.com/content/type/61/id/87675/width/640/height/1000[/IMG]

Ok so Cary got banned man I've never seen anyone get banned so fast just for not laying out all his theories in one post. To me it seemed like he was encouraging discussion on a topic about the lower body he was interested in. This forum seems jaded must have some baggage from some previous snake oil salesman. Oh well I'm interested in this topic. I've worked with Mchatton before and have seen the traces of Ben hogans pivot he's done from the biomechanics study he participated in on hogan. One thing that is interesting about that hip trace is that hogans right hip was actually farther from the ball at impact then it was at the top. Which I would guess would differ greatly from the avg golfer who's right hip I would bet would be much closer to the baseline

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I recommend you seek therapy as soon as possible. Psychiatrists have come a long way with medicines that will help your condition.

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