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Level 2:

I introduced my friend Josh to golf.  I talked him into going out to our Local 9 hole par three course for a "mixer" or best ball tournament and let him use an old set of clubs I had.  I told him not to worry about his shots, but to just have fun.  If he made a putt or two he would contribute fine to the team.  (He was worried about not contributing and helping).  I let him know how best ball works and it doesn't matter how bad he hit the ball as long as one of us on the TEAM hit an okay shot.  There was no "pressure"...    Result:  We went out and placed and won a gift certificate to the pro shop...  He went in and bought some golf balls and a golf glove...  Making progress!!   We've ended up at the range about 3 times and played about 3 other times since...

The next goal is going to be to get him out for a regular round so he starts to know what he shoots on his own.  He wants me to help him buy a good set and was about to get some used Cleveland BLADES!!!!!!...  Time for some education! - Had to tell him NO!!!!... not your first set lol...

JP

In the bag:  R1 Diver, Rocketballz 3 tour spoon (13*), Adams A12 pro 18* hybrid, 4-P Callaway Razr x black (dg s400 shafts), 50* & 58* Ping Tour S, and TM Ghost Manta Putter cut down to 32". and my Tour V2 Rangefinder (with extra batteries of course)!  Ball - Srixon Z Star XV

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Got my wife into the sport... i know i know.... "bad move" some people say.

but with the hours we both keep at work and all the stuff we are doing to the house, it is nice getting out together. Also, I would rather take her golfing that not go golfing at all

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  • 3 weeks later...
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Checking in! My guy has come out for a couple of rounds now and has signed up for a 5 lesson pack. Looks like he may be hooked. :-)

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Not that I can claim a ton of credit for it, but a new one that my brother and I took out for the first time a few months ago has been out for a handful of additional rounds. She's a co-worker of my bruv's and I hear she's been playing with a number of the other people he works with.

We were very impressed with the number of solid shots she had on that day. It's good to see that she enjoyed it enough to go on with.

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I created a couple of new golfers in 2013 and 14. One of them I really helped out by playing a lot, and giving him tips. Also went to the shop and helped him to decide wich clubs to buy. Now I have a new target. Asked him a couple of times, but never a yes. But yesterday bingo! He had been to the drivingrange a couple of times and I invited him to play a business round. He said yes, but wanted to practise with me a 9 holes round first, we did that yesterday. It was a succes, he played a lot better than I did during my first rounds. The business round I managed by pulling some strings. Its on a course I never played and the greenfee normally is around 125 euro.

And he is hooked now :-D Takes his clubs with him this weekend. Weekend is supposed to be a cycling weekend.

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Is it too late to get in on this?

Does it count if it was prior to TST membership? ( it's kinda how I ended up here )

Otherwise, I have created two.

1.) My wife: only because she asked in the only way she knows how ( "Why don't you ever ask me to go play golf with you?" gripe)

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2.) High School friend who really wanted to learn how to play but felt like he was "too old" to start playing.  After convincing him that you are never too old to pick up golf, we took care of the complaint about not hanging out as often.


  • 1 month later...
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Got my daughter into the game this summer.

Hoping to get my son on board in 2015

In my Grom:

Driver-Taylormade 10.5 Woods- Taylomade 3 wood, taylormade 4 Hybrid
Irons- Callaway Big Berthas 5i - GW Wedges- Titles Volkey  Putter- Odyssey protype #9
Ball- Bridgestone E6
All grips Golf Pride

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I got my neighbors to start golf in 2014, both the husband and wife.  They're still playing and are trying to schedule something next week.  The down side is they are the slowest players I've ever played with in spite of all my marshaling.  I don't really want to play with them.

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So, in the golf outing I did earlier this year I got two of my co-workers who have never played to come out and play.  I even took them to the range beforehand. Does that count?

Don't I deserve a badge for this, @iacas ? :)

Christian

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Well, I got my Son  to start, but that was years ago..Good news, I talked him into bringing my grandson to the range a couple of times, and we are playing this Sunday, so I suggested that he bring my grandson along to play. Now I'm trying to talk my grand daughter into taking up golf, as she is pretty athletic, 16 yrs old, and 6' tall..My Son is 6'5" so.... :-D

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Over the course of the year, I took three people out to either their first range sessions or first playing round. From what I understand, one actually went on to play rounds with other people. So not a total bust. I think the other two just don't really have the coordination or inclination to really get into it.

I got a couple of prospects for next year in mind..

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Don't I deserve a badge for this, @iacas ? :)

I see one. :-)

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
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Got my daughter into the game this summer.

Hoping to get my son on board in 2015

What I dont get a badge for dragging my 4 year old to the range and teaching her to chip in the back yard.

or is this yet another thing Iacas and myself can not agree upon?  LOL!

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In my Grom:

Driver-Taylormade 10.5 Woods- Taylomade 3 wood, taylormade 4 Hybrid
Irons- Callaway Big Berthas 5i - GW Wedges- Titles Volkey  Putter- Odyssey protype #9
Ball- Bridgestone E6
All grips Golf Pride

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Level 3 Success!!!

So my friend Josh is going to Myrtle Beach with the group this year!  He's shooting low 100's (which is an improvement) but he's hitting good shots a lot more often and his misses have improved dramatically.  Since August, we've played a number of times and he's considering joining our local association and getting an official handicap.  We have a golfer!!!!  We have a golfer!!!!  Better yet, he has now got a co-worker to pick up the game also....  so begins the domino effect!

JP

In the bag:  R1 Diver, Rocketballz 3 tour spoon (13*), Adams A12 pro 18* hybrid, 4-P Callaway Razr x black (dg s400 shafts), 50* & 58* Ping Tour S, and TM Ghost Manta Putter cut down to 32". and my Tour V2 Rangefinder (with extra batteries of course)!  Ball - Srixon Z Star XV

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So, my guy went to a year end sale and picked himself up a set of clubs! Looks like I have a new playing partner.

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As a High School coach this is my life. I always take a few underclass students who want to learn the game. This season it was six of my 28 players. Three I even supplied clubs for. It's the same thing I do in the classroom by getting students to enjoy literature.

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