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How are the knees when you do this stuff?

Specifically (obviously) the left knee?

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14 minutes ago, iacas said:

How are the knees when you do this stuff?

Specifically (obviously) the left knee?

I’m having trouble getting it to really push back my left hip. I can do it slow, but as I increase speed, l lose the feel.

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30 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

I’m having trouble getting it to really push back my left hip. I can do it slow, but as I increase speed, l lose the feel.

I meant pain or whatever-wise.

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11 hours ago, iacas said:

I meant pain or whatever-wise.

No pain when bent or starting to straighten, but it gets wobbly when I fully straighten it with all my weight on it. So when snapping it straight it kind of gets weak. I think it has to do with the torn meniscus. I can do squats because it doesn’t affect that area, so the leg is strong, but not when straight.

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I got an adjustment to my drill from Erik. I need to really move my hands down faster from the top, which will then require me to rotate faster to get to impact. I also need to get my left hip back farther, which has been a challenge. 

I broke out the Butt Board 2000 to try and help the feel. It helps a bit.

Drill. I’m trying to feel the left butt cheek go back and have a fast arm motion down.

Swing with the BB 2000. A bit of improvement but I need to exaggerate more.

Full swing sans BB 2000. Still a little EE. Work in progress.

 

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Shove your left butt cheek behind your heel. There’s enough force pulling you toward the ball that you can pull back the other way to offset it.

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A swing from yesterday working on the same pieces with more emphasis on pushing the left hip back more aggressively.

 

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You and  @DaveP043 have had a tough year with your injuries, but both of you are such warriors too. Glad to see you get some!

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1 hour ago, boogielicious said:

I’m still in PT at the moment and working hard to get back. I’ll give PT a couple more weeks before deciding to get a shot (which may or may not work).

Good luck with everything, its tough getting old!  Just my experience, the epidural steroid injection I got has made a world of difference as far as the pain goes.  I have a feeling that the PT exercises will need to continue forever, but that's a pretty small price to pay if they help me avoid future episodes.

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I started doing slow swings again. I’ve had a rough year since last June. Hurt my left SI joint and took the better part of 9 months rehabbing it. Then I got a repeat hernia last December. I had repair surgery 4 weeks ago and now can start with slow swings. I’ve only played three times since the outing last June and only the last one without any back pain as the back finally has healed. I have to take it slow with the hernia because the golf swing can put a lot of stress on that area. I am able to work out again too since the surgery, which helps.

Started Monday with just backswing work with 6 iron and driver. Today, more of the same with some slow chippy swing with 6 iron and driver. Focus of the practice is from my last GEARS session.

Setup: Feel like I’m on my toes almost falling toward the ball. Arms hand down vertically and feel like I’m almost too close to the ball.

Backswing: The idea is to keep my hip center from moving toward the ball. I need to feel like I’m swaying back a bit on the takeaway, but in reality, push my right hip back toward the wall 45 degrees behind me to P3. From P3-4, start moving toward the target.

Downswing: Hands feel like they start dropping straight down from the top. Left leg pushes the left hip back and up. 

Did backswing feels first then slow 25% swings. About 10 balls each with rehearsal feels. It will be a fews week before I can really do full swings, but this practice may help reset things and remove old bad habits. I’ll try to film when I have a chance.

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9 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

I started doing slow swings again. I’ve had a rough year since last June. Hurt my left SI joint and took the better part of 9 months rehabbing it. Then I got a repeat hernia last December. I had repair surgery 4 weeks ago and now can start with slow swings. I’ve only played three times since the outing last June and only the last one without any back pain as the back finally has healed. I have to take it slow with the hernia because the golf swing can put a lot of stress on that area. I am able to work out again too since the surgery, which helps.

Started Monday with just backswing work with 6 iron and driver. Today, more of the same with some slow chippy swing with 6 iron and driver. Focus of the practice is from my last GEARS session.

Setup: Feel like I’m on my toes almost falling toward the ball. Arms hand down vertically and feel like I’m almost too close to the ball.

Backswing: The idea is to keep my hip center from moving toward the ball. I need to feel like I’m swaying back a bit on the takeaway, but in reality, push my right hip back toward the wall 45 degrees behind me to P3. From P3-4, start moving toward the target.

Downswing: Hands feel like they start dropping straight down from the top. Left leg pushes the left hip back and up. 

Did backswing feels first then slow 25% swings. About 10 balls each with rehearsal feels. It will be a fews week before I can really do full swings, but this practice may help reset things and remove old bad habits. I’ll try to film when I have a chance.

Glad to hear you're sufficiently mended to start swinging again! As Bette Davis said "getting old is not for sissies". I

I'll check in with you via PM or text in a few weeks and hopefully we can get out at NKGC this year!

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Not that you need to hear it from me, but take it slow. I’m sure you’ll be back out on the course in no time.

I actually found that the silver lining when being injured is that I was able to prioritize working on the setup stuff without being distracted by making actual swings. I spent two weeks last month doing nothing but focusing on that because I really do anything else and I think it’s starting to pay dividends.

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Its good to hear you're back to swinging, and more important that you're feeling healthy enough to do it.  As Bill says, take it gently, push just a little, I'm sure you'll be back to speed soon.  

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23 hours ago, boogielicious said:

I started doing slow swings again. I’ve had a rough year since last June. Hurt my left SI joint and took the better part of 9 months rehabbing it. Then I got a repeat hernia last December. I had repair surgery 4 weeks ago and now can start with slow swings. I’ve only played three times since the outing last June and only the last one without any back pain as the back finally has healed. I have to take it slow with the hernia because the golf swing can put a lot of stress on that area. I am able to work out again too since the surgery, which helps.

Man, I totally missed this. Sorry to hear that. I am glad you are healing up. 

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Went to the range yesterday and did some full swings. I didn’t feel any pain or tightness in the surgery area and wasn’t sore this morning. I should be able to start playing now.

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@boogielicious great news! 

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    • He's not and GEARS doesn't really measure toward your midline. It's measured at the joint. That's not why his use of "midline" is bad (part of the reason is that your "midline" is twisted, the top of your sternum can be pointed at a different place than the belt buckle, and your shoulders protract and retract, too. I think he's just trying to use midline to say which way the arm is moving. But they have terms for that — adduction and abduction — so whatever.
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    • Depends on how short you were coming up on these shots. A bit more wind? Also, maybe you were swinging at 2-3 mph slower the next day.  I think the biggest thing is not adjusting. Like making assuming your stock shot is not enough and taking 1 club up. Not sure what type of adjustments you were making in your decision making. 
    • No one should measure a joint mobility away from that joint. If you go to physical therapy, they are not measuring your knee mobility based on your midline. It is based at the joint. Shoulder mobility should be measured in reference to the shoulder joint. 
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