2014 Ryder Cup Discussion Thread

[MS256]

And yet 641 posts later in this microcosm of (largely) US golfingness and people are still talking about it and why it keeps 'going wrong'. While you couldn't give two hoots about the Cup (although you are posting about it?) it would seem that others care a tad more. And why shouldn't they? It has nothing to do with people needing to support a team to feel like a winner, it's to do with the fact that supporting your country in any sporting arena is not a bad thing to do. If the Ryder Cup is 'just another tournament' to the US team I think that might point towards why they keep losing. But I don't think it is, I think they care a little more about it.

I care about winning the cup. Not quite in the same way I care about my favorite football or baseball team winning but still want to win. I figure any competition worth playing is worth winning from tiddlywinks to football (and everything in between).

My son's football coach was asked about a certain trophy his first year on the job and I loved his answer. "I don't know anything about the Top Cat Trophy but if there is one we might as well win it and have it in our locker room instead of it being in theirs."

I think there was a lack of cooperation and dissention in this thing from the start, from the players and the captain, and it's hard to win like that.

[RetroJFrancisco]

Nah. Sorry, gonna try to nip that sort of nonsense in the bud right here and now.

The U.S. has windy states, firm golf courses, and a lot of varieties of grasses, rough (pine straw included), etc.

You're not gonna convince many people that Europeans are "better rounded golfers."

And not that personal experience matters much, but I played quite well in Scotland.

P.S. The Ryder Cup wasn't exactly set up like a Scottish Links course. It was basically an "American setup."

So we've done you at your own game then? American style golf? You should be beating us at that surely?

Around a hardpan links course, steady 30mph wind with a light misty drizzle(standard british weather golf wise) we could have beaten you by another 8 points

[Kieran123]

Wow...guys I was kidding...please try and remain calm.

The whole point of my post was to show how dumb the population argument was.....

[Nosevi]

[/quote][quote name="iacas" url="/t/77288/2014-ryder-cup-discussion-thread/630#post_1061272"][QUOTE name="RetroJFrancisco" url="/t/77288/2014-ryder-cup-discussion-thread/630#post_1061270"]   Golf is easier in the states, sorry to throw such a curve-ball about.. but its true.. Europeans are better rounded golfers, we learn different shots from a young age as they are needed from one course to the next. [/QUOTE] Nah. Sorry, gonna try to nip that sort of nonsense in the bud right here and now. The U.S. has windy states, firm golf courses, and a lot of varieties of grasses, rough (pine straw included), etc. We have all manner of bunkers, greens, and so on. We have at least as much variety as European courses… many of which are quite "American" in style, like Gleneagles… [/quote] Well, we had to give you a sporting chance. We even got one of 'your lot' to design the course. Not a great deal more we can do :) I think the point about the 'European' Tour is it plays all over the world - Europe, South Africa, Middle East, China and far east, Australia...... It's not just on European courses. Joking aside Paul McGinley said the course should be set up in basically the same way as for any tour event and even handed over the course to a joint European/US tournament committee who controlled green speeds, pin positions etc. That's a stark difference to Medinah where the US captain did his best to set the course up in his team's favour (and is on record 'admitting' this). Will the next US captain follow McGinley's lead I wonder? Edit: Just in case anyone unfamiliar with the European Tour wants a quick look this is where they're playing this year - it really is a World Tour http://www.europeantour.com/europeantour/tournament/index.html

[iacas]

Around a hardpan links course, steady 30mph wind with a light misty drizzle(standard british weather golf wise) we could have beaten you by another 8 points

Uhm, no.

Look at the last 50 years of winners of the British Open.

[Nosevi]

"British Open"? :)

[Pretzel]

"British Open"? :)

Yes, that's what it is generally referred to here to avoid confusion with the U.S. Open. "The Open Championship" is fairly ambiguous.

[boogielicious]

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Originally Posted by iacas

Nah. Sorry, gonna try to nip that sort of nonsense in the bud right here and now.

The U.S. has windy states, firm golf courses, and a lot of varieties of grasses, rough (pine straw included), etc.

You're not gonna convince many people that Europeans are "better rounded golfers."

And not that personal experience matters much, but I played quite well in Scotland.

P.S. The Ryder Cup wasn't exactly set up like a Scottish Links course. It was basically an "American setup."

So we've done you at your own game then? American style golf? You should be beating us at that surely?

Around a hardpan links course, steady 30mph wind with a light misty drizzle(standard british weather golf wise) we could have beaten you by another 8 points

Sounds like Texas in the spring.  BTW, when did you make the Ryder Cup squad?

[Nosevi]

I know, was pulling his leg to a certain degree. Shouldn't be ambiguous though - there's only 1 'The Open Championship'. I don't see many people making sure they call it "The US Masters" to avoid confusion with The Australian Masters :) It's the oldest Major, has been called The Open Championship for over 150 years. Don't really see why anyone should have the need to rename it, especially on a golf forum :)

[boogielicious]

I know, was pulling his leg to a certain degree. Shouldn't be ambiguous though - there's only 1 'The Open Championship'. I don't see many people making sure they call it "The US Masters" to avoid confusion with The Australian Masters :)

It's the oldest Major, has been called The Open Championship for over 150 years. Don't really see why anyone should have the need to rename it, especially on a golf forum :)

There is another whole thread on this.  It comes up every year.

[Nosevi]

You'd have thought people could get it right then :) Look, to an extent I'm just mucking about but 'renaming' someone else's tournament is ....... well it's a tad irritating. Only a tad though :)

[RetroJFrancisco]

Sounds like Texas in the spring.  BTW, when did you make the Ryder Cup squad?

"We" as in "us" as in "Europeans"

What a strange thing to say? If I mention my favorite football team (soccer team to you lot) in conversation I would say "we played well today".. Its perfectly good English and I can't quite see how you would see otherwise?

[Gunther]

"We" as in "us" as in "Europeans" What a strange thing to say? If I mention my favorite football team (soccer team to you lot) in conversation I would say "we played well today".. Its perfectly good English and I can't quite see how you would see otherwise?

Wrong, can't say we if you're not affiliated with the team. Dork move here in the US. May be accepted in Europe, dunno.

[RetroJFrancisco]

Wrong, can't say we if you're not affiliated with the team. Dork move here in the US. May be accepted in Europe, dunno.

Okay, Jonny Miller & Jack Nicklaus were on SkySports (The channel they broadcast Golf here in the UK) they both spoke and both said "We" as in "We (the states) need to start making more putts"

As far as I'm AWARE*** (may need correcting on this) they were nothing to do with the US team this year and were simply bystanders..

Stupid off topic argument anyway, just trying to show my point.

[boogielicious]

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Originally Posted by Gunther

Wrong, can't say we if you're not affiliated with the team. Dork move here in the US. May be accepted in Europe, dunno.

Okay, Jonny Miller & Jack Nicklaus were on SkySports (The channel they broadcast Golf here in the UK) they both spoke and both said "We" as in "We (the states) need to start making more putts"

As far as I'm AWARE*** (may need correcting on this) they were nothing to do with the US team this year and were simply bystanders..

Stupid off topic argument anyway, just trying to show my point.

I was joking first of all.  Secondly, Nicklaus and Miller were on Ryder Cup teams in the past, so I think they get to say "we" technically.

[RetroJFrancisco]

I was joking first of all.  Secondly, Nicklaus and Miller were on Ryder Cup teams in the past, so I think they get to say "we" technically.

It's a totally trivial thing to debate about anyway, the only thing that matters is we (Europeans) hold the cup for another 2 years, and the way things are going, you (Americans) won't be getting your hands on it for a while longer than that..

Enjoy those sour grapes boys.

[Silent]

In Dutch you can also say 'we' and 'us' when talking about you favorite team. For what it's worth.

[RetroJFrancisco]

In Dutch you can also say 'we' and 'us' when talking about you favorite team. For what it's worth.

Yes it makes perfect sense, I think it must be one of those "American-English" sort of things.. Ya know..