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Butch: If Tiger calls, I'll Listen [Golf World - Rosaforte]


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Tiger is never going to be his old self and so many folks simply do not want to accept it.  I saw an article a week or so ago where the writer compared Tiger's collapse to Mike Tyson's.  Tyson really was not a good fighter after the Douglas loss (debatable if he was still good before that fight), but the boxing world wanted to believe the old Tyson would come back and he never did.  Every fight fans flocked to see him only to be disappointed time and time again as he aged, diminished skill set, and frankly no real desire or passion to be great again.  He would beat some easy opponents which kept folks entertained and hoping for more, but the last several years of his career were a disaster.

While I am not sure to what level Tiger will be able to return to comparing him to Tyson is poor at best. In Tyson's book he admits to using cocaine daily and partying instead of training. Unless, we we get a report from Medalist we can't be sure how hard Tiger is working but I don't think he is a coke head.

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My following golf began well after Tiger's Butch or Haney periods, so I'm curious, what broke the Butch / Tiger relationship? Every news article references it but they don't actually explain the cause of the rift.

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To my knowledge Butch has never commented on why the two split. Tiger has stated that he needed to go another direction because he could no longer snap his left knee it transition.

IMO both of them have big controlling personalities and they just could not make it work any longer...too many alpha's in the pack.

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There are some people like Michael Breed who think Butch walks on water. What's even funnier are the people like Arron Oberholser who think Butch is the only person who can, "fix," Tiger.

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My following golf began well after Tiger's Butch or Haney periods, so I'm curious, what broke the Butch / Tiger relationship? Every news article references it but they don't actually explain the cause of the rift.

I heard/read somewhere Butch told Tiger "you're swing is perfect; just maintain this forever." Tiger didn't like that; he wanted/needed to believe he could always get better. I don't know how true that is, but just adding to the discussion.


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That's how I remember it Butch told Tiger there was nothing more to teach him it was purely maintenance going forward. Tiger, the goal oriented machine that he was had to move on.

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Butch violated Tiger's trust.  Butch was a name dropper who liked to gossip with the media about what Tiger told him in confidence.


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IMHO, Tiger seems to be suffering paralysis by analysis syndrome. Too much thinking during his swing. I too get into that mind set during early summer. That's why I get into a slump in summer months. Hard to change that even knowing the cause.

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