Playing Golf with Someone Carrying a Weapon

[natureboy]

I would not be comfortable with it because there is no reason for me to know he has a gun, so I'd be a little freaked out with the fact that the guy told me he had it.

Given that I play in New York State this would be closer to my POV than any of the poll choices. I would expect any need the individual had for a legal special permit would be a private matter and given the jurisdiction laws, a normal law-abiding gun owner would be discreet about it. Someone who flashed a gun or told me he had one for no good reason would be on or across the " Menacing " line (for NYS). I would not accompany this person for a round and might report them for confirmation of a legal permit.

In another jurisdiction displaying a firearm might have a completely different impact. The legal and social context is relevant & important. I don't have a problem with guns per-se or friendly, law-abiding gun owners. Situationally erratic or menacing behavior involving a gun is a different & valid concern IMO.

[Ernest Jones]

[QUOTE]Poll: Would you be comfortable playing golf with a stranger who you knew was carrying a loaded revolver in their bag?[/QUOTE] You didn't specify if the person was male or female so, it begs the question... Is she hot?

[SavvySwede]

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Originally Posted by Ernest Jones

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Poll: Would you be comfortable playing golf with a stranger who you knew was carrying a loaded revolver in their bag?

You didn't specify if the person was male or female so, it begs the question...




Is she hot?

Being paired up with a good looking female golfer who has a gun? Start buying lottery tickets.

[SoundandFury]

Is it someone I know? If so, problem whatsoever. Stranger? Then the question branches: am I armed as well? If no problem at all. If not, are they obviously weird? Then probably not.

[Ernest Jones]

Is it someone I know? If so, problem whatsoever. Stranger? Then the question branches: am I armed as well? If no problem at all. If not, are they obviously weird? Then probably not.

Lol. Huh???

[inthehole]

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Originally Posted by Subaroozz

Plus, studies have shown that simply carrying any type of weapon makes one more aggressive and more likely to engage in confrontation.

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Originally Posted by inthehole

OK, this is just utter BS.   I'll just leave it at that ...

Quick google search came up with many returns for the "weapons effect."

That's not to say that the "effect" itself is something, but it appears that their certainly are "studies that have shown," so @Subaroozz quote is very much NOT "utter BS."

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Originally Posted by Subaroozz

Plus, studies have shown that simply carrying any type of weapon makes one more aggressive and more likely to engage in confrontation.

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Originally Posted by inthehole

OK, this is just utter BS.   I'll just leave it at that ...

Quick google search came up with many returns for the "weapons effect."

That's not to say that the "effect" itself is something, but it appears that their certainly are "studies that have shown," so @Subaroozz quote is very much NOT "utter BS."

It is indeed absolute unequivocal utter BS.

Carrying makes a person become situationally aware and AVOIDANCE of conflict becomes even more important.     Do you have any idea what the legal ramifications of using deadly force are in todays society ?    To name a few ... likely losing your job / career, untold lawyer bills, court appearances, civil lawsuits by survivors, and very possibly your freedom ... the list goes on.    Responsible people who carry are very much aware of this and go to extreme lengths to NOT put themselves in any position where they would have to use deadly force.    CCW leading a person to become more aggressive is the most ridiculous concept I've ever heard of (at least if you are gainfully employed and have something to lose in life).   Maybe that study is weighted heavily to rednecks, deadbeats and gangbangers who don't have much to lose in life, and become more aggressive when they carry, IDK.    CCW and being prepared to use deadly force in todays society is undeniably the last resort ...

[CR McDivot]

Obviously, very few of the respondents to this thread have ever actually carried a weapon on their person. I have, and do under appropriate circumstances.

It's a major pain in the butt!

An effective handgun and associated magazines are not featherweight, nor easy to conceal, even with the best of leather. One must always be conscience of the position, the weight, the availability, and the concealment of the hardware, not to mention the mental and moral state of mind that governs (or rightly should) the display (and therefore use) of such. NO WEAPON should be drawn unless life is in danger, and one MUST be able to justify the use of lethal force to protect one's life or that of another!

Cowboy movies be damned, if you pull a weapon you had better be able to use it to effect, and justify such before a jury of your peers!

Edit for topic:

I have never felt the need to carry on the course... it's a gentleman's game, right!

[JonMA1]

Originally Posted by inthehole

It is indeed absolute unequivocal utter BS.

Carrying makes a person become situationally aware and AVOIDANCE of conflict becomes even more important.     Do you have any idea what the legal ramifications of using deadly force are in todays society ?    To name a few ... likely losing your job / career, untold lawyer bills, court appearances, civil lawsuits by survivors, and very possibly your freedom ... the list goes on.    Responsible people who carry are very much aware of this and go to extreme lengths to NOT put themselves in any position where they would have to use deadly force.    CCW leading a person to become more aggressive is the most ridiculous concept I've ever heard of (at least if you are gainfully employed and have something to lose in life).   Maybe that study is weighted heavily to rednecks, deadbeats and gangbangers who don't have much to lose in life, and become more aggressive when they carry, IDK.    CCW and being prepared to use deadly force in todays society is undeniably the last resort ...

This has been my observation as well. With one exception, the people I know who carry fit the description in bold. If these folks suddenly became gunslinging vigilantes, wouldn't there be a shit-ton of criminal data to support that study?

As @Golfingdad stated, I'm sure studies were done - that part is probably true. If the results of the studies indicated that qualified law-abiding individuals who went through proper training suddenly became more aggressive once they began carrying, I would question the methods, criteria or motives of those who conducted the study.

Doesn't matter, it's legal. If you don't like the law, change it or move to a state/country where gun laws are stricter. I have no problem playing golf with someone who is carrying. As others have stated, chances are I have and didn't even know it.

[boogielicious]

Obviously, very few of the respondents to this thread have ever actually carried a weapon on their person. I have, and do under appropriate circumstances.

It's a major pain in the butt!

An effective handgun and associated magazines are not featherweight, nor easy to conceal, even with the best of leather. One must always be conscience of the position, the weight, the availability, and the concealment of the hardware, not to mention the mental and moral state of mind that governs (or rightly should) the display (and therefore use) of such. NO WEAPON should be drawn unless life is in danger, and one MUST be able to justify the use of lethal force to protect one's life or that of another!

Cowboy movies be damned, if you pull a weapon you had better be able to use it to effect, and justify such before a jury of your peers!

Edit for topic:

I have never felt the need to carry on the course... it's a gentleman's game, right!

Excellent post.

[iacas]

Carrying makes a person become situationally aware and AVOIDANCE of conflict becomes even more important.

Heck, avoidance of anything becomes more important.

I've said before that I would carry when I was out launching my kayak at 4am at some remote boat launch, etc. What I could also say is that while driving to and from the boat launch, I never sped. I always fully stopped at a stop light/sign. I signaled every time I turned. I followed ALL traffic laws. I read every sign and anything else that I could to make sure I was not breaking any laws or even suggestions.

Do I think this applies to everyone? Of course not. But to most? I think so. I think most people who go through the process, get a CCW, etc. understand the responsibility and weight of that decision, not just on the lives of others, but on their own.

[David in FL]

Heck, avoidance of anything becomes more important. I've said before that I would carry when I was out launching my kayak at 4am at some remote boat launch, etc. What I could also say is that while driving to and from the boat launch, I never sped. I always fully stopped at a stop light/sign. I signaled every time I turned. I followed ALL traffic laws. I read every sign and anything else that I could to make sure I was not breaking any laws or even suggestions. Do I think this applies to everyone? Of course not. But to most? I think so. I think most people who go through the process, get a CCW, etc. understand the responsibility and weight of that decision, not just on the lives of others, but on their own.

QFT

[dsc123]

Heck, avoidance of anything becomes more important. I've said before that I would carry when I was out launching my kayak at 4am at some remote boat launch, etc. What I could also say is that while driving to and from the boat launch, I never sped. I always fully stopped at a stop light/sign. I signaled every time I turned. I followed ALL traffic laws. I read every sign and anything else that I could to make sure I was not breaking any laws or even suggestions.

Why? Wasn't it legal for you to have the gun?

[iacas]

Why? Wasn't it legal for you to have the gun?

It was perfectly legal for me to have the gun.

As for why… pragmatism.

[Dave2512]

I don't behave any differently with a gun. It becomes familiar and for me after a while unnecessary. There was no heightned sense of awareness other than remembering where I couldn't take it. It's not a good citizen charm. Related to golf that is something I do for fun. It can involve alcohol and I don't want to have to decline an invite for a beer or whatever because I have a gun I don't need. Often I may be dropped off at the course by an employee if we are doing something after the round as a group. Certainly wouldn't want to put someone in a spot leaving my gun in their vehicle if we go to a brewery to eat.

[dsc123]

It was perfectly legal for me to have the gun.

As for why… pragmatism.

I did think about it.  I'm honestly not familiar with issues facing gun owners as its basically illegal to carry where I live.  So I asked.  The best I could come up with is that you wanted to avoid the situation where a cop pulls you over for speeding...illegally searches your car....finds a gun...ignores your license...charges you with unlawful possession of a firearm...and then you have to go all the way down to the court house to show them your license?

[iacas]

I did think about it.  I'm honestly not familiar with issues facing gun owners as its basically illegal to carry where I live.  So I asked.  The best I could come up with is that you wanted to avoid the situation where a cop pulls you over for speeding...illegally searches your car....finds a gun...ignores your license...charges you with unlawful possession of a firearm...and then you have to go all the way down to the court house to show them your license?

You have a bizarre definition of pragmatism or a really lame imagination if the best you can come up with is that I might have to visit a courthouse and show someone a license. Either that or you have a much much higher appreciation for every police officer than I do.

[dsc123]

Either that or you have a much much higher appreciation for every police officer than I do.

If you followed the Baltimore thread you'd know that wasn't the case

You have a bizarre definition of pragmatism or a really lame imagination if the best you can come up with is that I might have to visit a courthouse and show someone a license.

Okay.  Sorry for asking.

[iacas]

If you followed the Baltimore thread you'd know that wasn't the case

Okay.  Sorry for asking.

I apologize for being so brief about it… I was busy with a task and wanted to respond but wanted to do so quickly.

Plus, to be perfectly honest, it struck me as a peculiar question from a smart guy that was not really on topic. I think I thought "pragmatism" would get you to think about it and arrive at a conclusion. Why would I want to avoid situations where a police officer would pull me over while I have a gun in my car? Because it's my life we're talking about, and any inconvenience isn't worth a little extra care in coming to a complete stop on a road with no traffic when otherwise I might slow down to only 5 MPH or something, let alone should the police officer freak out and shoot me or something.

Plus, never mind that I doubt very many CCW owners know every provision in the laws, particularly when they're traveling outside their home county (Palm Beach at the time for me). How many rounds can be in the clip? Can the clip be in the gun or does it have to be separate? Can extra ammo be sitting on the passenger seat or does it have to be in a locked trunk. Even if know well enough to comply, what if you're close to violating the rule (i.e. what you consider a locked glove compartment doesn't pass the test, or something like that) and you're brought up on some grey area weapons charge.

Again, sorry for the short response earlier.

P.S. Pragmatism is also why I voted "Maybe" in the thread above. If I know the guy (When I play, there's a good chance it's with a former military guy and a current security officer at the local VA Hospital, and he carries frequently. Maybe on the golf course for all I know…), odds are better that I'm fine with it. If I don't, odds are lower that I'm fine with it.