Lihu and Duff's OT Engineering/Lawyer Stuff

[Hardspoon]

although I did make quite a bit of money fixing a few others' screw ups.

I feel like this pretty much sums up the construction industry.

(architect here... engineers, get your pitchforks ready!!!)

[CR McDivot]

Rimshot!

I still chuckle when I see (or think about) one of my 500 page, $75 textbooks that was entitled "Pavement Design."

That 500 page textbook on Pavement Design probably included a huge section on Roadbase Stabilization.

Back in the day CDOT required all new construction to lay and compact 24-36 inches of various roadbase materials (crushed rock to crusher fines) before laying asphalt of significant depth.

When I left standard was to stabilize expansive soil with lime and lay 12 inches of reinforced concrete over a substrata that had no roadbase.

Guess wich method has a longer real lifetime.

[billchao]

I feel like this pretty much sums up the construction industry.

(architect here... engineers, get your pitchforks ready!!!)

As a laborer in construction for a number of years... you both suck

[Lihu]

[QUOTE name="Hardspoon" url="/t/83990/lihu-and-duffs-ot-engineering-lawyer-stuff/0_30#post_1189077"]   I feel like this pretty much sums up the construction industry. (architect here... engineers, get your pitchforks ready!!!) [/QUOTE] As a laborer in construction for a number of years... you both suck :-P

I think he was commenting about the PEs that messed up and @Patch needing to fix the problems caused by them as a common problem in the construction industry. I personally know a PE who I question his practical capabilities. . .

[Hardspoon]

I think he was commenting about the PEs that messed up and @Patch needing to fix the problems caused by them as a common problem in the construction industry. I personally know a PE who I question his practical capabilities. . .

While I'm required by the secret architect code to bash engineers at any opportunity , in this case, I was actually making a more general statement.

Half of our work involves convincing clients that the report they received from the previous architect was missing serious pieces of information...or convincing them that the project they spent $$$ on 3 years ago has no long-term value, and may need to be reversed.

Our engineers go through the same thing...

[Lihu]

[QUOTE name="Lihu" url="/t/83990/lihu-and-duffs-ot-engineering-lawyer-stuff/18#post_1189220"] I think he was commenting about the PEs that messed up and [@=/u/52910/Patch]@Patch[/@] needing to fix the problems caused by them as a common problem in the construction industry. I personally know a PE who I question his practical capabilities. . .[/QUOTE] While I'm required by the secret architect code to bash engineers at any opportunity ;-) , in this case, I was actually making a more general statement. Half of our work involves convincing clients that the report they received from the previous architect was missing serious pieces of information...or convincing them that the project they spent $$$ on 3 years ago has no long-term value, and may need to be reversed. Our engineers go through the same thing...

So, in effect, your saying their investment should have been $$$$$? ;-)

[Hardspoon]

So, in effect, your saying their investment should have been $$$$$?

Usually even $$$$$+$$....

[boogielicious]

[QUOTE name="Lihu" url="/t/83990/lihu-and-duffs-ot-engineering-lawyer-stuff/18#post_1189220"] I think he was commenting about the PEs that messed up and [@=/u/52910/Patch]@Patch[/@] needing to fix the problems caused by them as a common problem in the construction industry. I personally know a PE who I question his practical capabilities. . .[/QUOTE] While I'm required by the secret architect code to bash engineers at any opportunity ;-) , in this case, I was actually making a more general statement. Half of our work involves convincing clients that the report they received from the previous architect was missing serious pieces of information...or convincing them that the project they spent $$$ on 3 years ago has no long-term value, and may need to be reversed. Our engineers go through the same thing...

When I think of architects.... [VIDEO]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DyL5mAqFJds[/VIDEO]

[rkim291968]

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Originally Posted by Duff McGee

I majored in Ancient European history......

I majored in Engineering, and actually had to work in college.

I majored in Computer Science.  I worked as a janitor, indoor painter, bag boy, worked in an assembly line (was a scab before the company found out I was underaged), delivered newspaper, cut grass ... all before I went to college.

[Lihu]

[QUOTE name="Lihu" url="/t/83990/lihu-and-duffs-ot-engineering-lawyer-stuff#post_1188657"]   [QUOTE name="Duff McGee" url="/t/83071/subway-pitchman-jared-fogle-s-home-raided-in-child-porn-investigation/36#post_1188656"] I majored in Ancient European history......[/QUOTE] I majored in Engineering, and actually had to work in college. :dance:   [/QUOTE] I majored in Computer Science.  I worked as a janitor, indoor painter, bag boy, worked in an assembly line (was a scab before the company found out I was underaged), delivered newspaper, cut grass ... all before I went to college.

Wow, that's pretty impressive. I shoveled snow to make money for college. Used a gas powered snow removal machine though, that I earned selling newspapers. BTW, it was a joke that engineers had to study hard as if no one else did because we watched many students party starting Friday nights, thus we felt we worked much harder academically. I'm sure you spent many hours in the computer lab getting projects done. Many other majors studied equally hard as well. :-)

[MyrtleBeachGolf]

I majored in Computer Science.  I worked as a janitor, indoor painter, bag boy, worked in an assembly line (was a scab before the company found out I was underaged), delivered newspaper, cut grass ... all before I went to college.

For some odd reason I was just thinking this morning about all the random jobs I did before college. Picked tassels off corn rows, cleaned trash from college freshman dorms, swept and mopped hockey stadium after home games, delivered pizzas among others.

[rkim291968]

I'm sure you spent many hours in the computer lab getting projects done. Many other majors studied equally hard as well.

I went to school when there were no PCs.  All computer work was done via terminal hooked up to a unix machine with horse power of a small calculator today.  When people have to do a mid-term, lines would be formed to get access to the terminals.  There were too many of these terminals and just one or two servers serving them.   Without exaggeration, it sometimes took 30 minutes to log in.   Type username, wait for the monitor to go to passwd prompt after 30 minutes, type passwd, ... you get the picture.  To avoid the terminal crowd, I sometimes went to campus at 2:00 am and there would still be a line albeit much shorter.    Comp Sci & Architecture majors burned midnight oil then.   I think Lawyer wannabees partied.

BTW, all my pre-college job money went into family survivor bank.   I have to secretly take another part time janitor job to save money for college to escape from LA.   All told, I saved $750 before college and I thought I was rich.   All these while I was training to be a boxer, learning to speak English, trying to take enough classes to qualify for UC college entrance criteria.   My 24 hours/day went pretty fast then.

[DaveP043]

That's because you chose Civil Engineering.  Now if you were a man's man, you would have chose a harder one like Chemical Engineering. We didn't have any course about dirt.

Hey, I got my masters in Geotechnical Engineering, dirt is my life!!

I feel like this pretty much sums up the construction industry.

(architect here... engineers, get your pitchforks ready!!!)

I always look at architects as artists, and engineers as the folks who make it possible to make the art into real life.

And me, I'm in geotechnical contracting, designing and building systems largely to correct short-sighted planning mistakes made in the past  ("This land will never be worth anything, go ahead and dump all that dirt here.")  And despite the jesting, I respect almost all of the architects and engineers I've worked with.  There are a few bozos, but that's true of any profession.

[jsgolfer]

That's because you chose Civil Engineering.  Now if you were a man's man, you would have chose a harder one like Chemical Engineering. We didn't have any course about dirt.

Civil Engineer here as well.  Nothing wrong with dirt, without the dirt the architect would have nothing to build on.

Rimshot!

I still chuckle when I see (or think about) one of my 500 page, $75 textbooks that was entitled "Pavement Design."

$75 for textbook, I wish I found one for that cheap.

Hey, I got my masters in Geotechnical Engineering, dirt is my life!!

I always look at architects as artists, and engineers as the folks who make it possible to make the art into real life.

And me, I'm in geotechnical contracting, designing and building systems largely to correct short-sighted planning mistakes made in the past  ("This land will never be worth anything, go ahead and dump all that dirt here.")  And despite the jesting, I respect almost all of the architects and engineers I've worked with.  There are a few bozos, but that's true of any profession.

Master's Degree in Civil Engineering (Water Quality and Treatment) and now I'm a Construction Manager for putting pipe under the ground for the most part.

[saevel25]

Many engineering majors took 5 years to graduate so they could take lighter loads. I had a lot of friends who minored in another engineering field and finished in 4 years, so it was much harder for them.

Took me 5 years because I switched out of Mechanical Engineering to Civil Engineer. A lot more better professors in Civil at The Ohio State University. I also liked the material much better.

If I had to list my favorite Engineering Fields

Civil Engineering

Geotechnical Engineering

Geospactial Engineering (Surveyors)

I about had a mental break down after my first quarter in Mechanical Engineering. It didn't help that each professor didn't understand that the students were not just taking their class that quarter with the amount of work they handed out.

I took one quarter off, did a lot my elective courses and my required Econ class. Then applied for Civil Engineer the next spring.

That's because you chose Civil Engineering.  Now if you were a man's man, you would have chose a harder one like Chemical Engineering. We didn't have any course about dirt.

Wasn't happening. I worked damn hard for my C+ in my freshman Chemistry class. ;)

While I'm required by the secret architect code to bash engineers at any opportunity , in this case, I was actually making a more general statement.

Half of our work involves convincing clients that the report they received from the previous architect was missing serious pieces of information...or convincing them that the project they spent $$$ on 3 years ago has no long-term value, and may need to be reversed..

Luckily I don't have to deal with architects in the transportation side of Civil Engineering.

Civil Engineer here as well.  Nothing wrong with dirt, without the dirt the architect would have nothing to build on.

$75 for textbook, I wish I found one for that cheap.

Master's Degree in Civil Engineering (Water Quality and Treatment) and now I'm a Construction Manager for putting pipe under the ground for the most part.

I know right. I think I had a few $200 dollar texts books one year. Thank god one of my transportation engineering teachers just published his notes for like $20. Saved us a lot of money that way.

I just have a Bachelors in Civil Engineering. I got my PE April 2014. I am looking to get a Master's Degree at some point. Not entirely sure what I want to study.

Water Quality and Treatment was not one of my favorites. Not a big fan of chemistry. Though I did like the Water flow, pipe and channel design stuff.

[Lihu]

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Originally Posted by Lihu

Many engineering majors took 5 years to graduate so they could take lighter loads. I had a lot of friends who minored in another engineering field and finished in 4 years, so it was much harder for them.

Took me 5 years because I switched out of Mechanical Engineering to Civil Engineer. A lot more better professors in Civil at The Ohio State University. I also liked the material much better.

If I had to list my favorite Engineering Fields

Civil Engineering

Geotechnical Engineering

Geospactial Engineering (Surveyors)

I about had a mental break down after my first quarter in Mechanical Engineering. It didn't help that each professor didn't understand that the students were not just taking their class that quarter with the amount of work they handed out.

I took one quarter off, did a lot my elective courses and my required Econ class. Then applied for Civil Engineer the next spring.

This is very common, and the part about professors not understanding the students total work loads is pretty hilarious in retrospect. In retrospect, that is. . .

[jsgolfer]

Took me 5 years because I switched out of Mechanical Engineering to Civil Engineer. A lot more better professors in Civil at The Ohio State University. I also liked the material much better.

If I had to list my favorite Engineering Fields

Civil Engineering

Geotechnical Engineering

Geospactial Engineering (Surveyors)

I about had a mental break down after my first quarter in Mechanical Engineering. It didn't help that each professor didn't understand that the students were not just taking their class that quarter with the amount of work they handed out.

I took one quarter off, did a lot my elective courses and my required Econ class. Then applied for Civil Engineer the next spring.

Wasn't happening. I worked damn hard for my C+ in my freshman Chemistry class. ;)

Luckily I don't have to deal with architects in the transportation side of Civil Engineering.

I know right. I think I had a few $200 dollar texts books one year. Thank god one of my transportation engineering teachers just published his notes for like $20. Saved us a lot of money that way.

I just have a Bachelors in Civil Engineering. I got my PE April 2014. I am looking to get a Master's Degree at some point. Not entirely sure what I want to study.

Water Quality and Treatment was not one of my favorites. Not a big fan of chemistry. Though I did like the Water flow, pipe and channel design stuff.

I got my PE back in 2001, damn I'm getting old, although I just got my Certified Construction Manager (CCM) designation this past year.  I worked for the Maine DOT summers doing surveying for roadway construction during my undergraduate degree.  I almost became a surveyor before my advanced surveying class had us out doing a boundary survey in the middle of January.  Probably the coldest I've ever been.

Chemistry was pretty easy for me, I also liked my geotech courses.  In fact I took a Geochemistry course for a grad class, plus Hydrogeology.  My two professors in my geology grad classes were two of my favorites.  They were really awesome, they used to hold the Argon Open at the golf course late in the golf season.  Only the hardy showed up.

University of Maine has a great Engineering program.  ChemE for pulp and paper mills was a really good program, had several friends that were ChemE majors.

[Strandly]

Hey, I got my masters in Geotechnical Engineering, dirt is my life!!

Oh?  I worked for Kleinfelder briefly when I first moved to Colorado and then went to work for Terracon for several years in Colorado Springs and Denver.  When I left the company a couple years ago I was chatting with the 3 geotech engineers in the office and they all said.. "whatever you do, do not go into this field".  lol

A couple of them were good dudes though, I'd enjoy working with them again.