Making the natural fit the unnatural is the question.

[iacas]

1 hour ago, collapse said:

The lead hand of the man on the left is the natural postition of the arm/wrist /hand without a club at address.I am saying we have to learn how to put a club into the lead hand so that configuration remains rather than force the hand to grip the weight of the club in a straight ahead alignment.

Look at the left guy's right hand. In addition to the good points raised above by @billchao, @DrvFrShow, etc. I'll add to the pile: he is not going to put his right hand on the club like that.

Additionally, the clubface is missing from the view, but if we could see it, it would be well open like in the Justin Rose image.

You're dangerously close to trolling at this point.

5 minutes ago, collapse said:

The club is not in his teeth ,an option Mr Jones suggests, because that won't work.....DrvfrShow,he is holding the club that way because the muscles in the left wrist and forearm are tensed to set it that way.Every pro tenses them to set this way.

Poppycock.

He's standing there. His arm and hand could be in any position. Adam Scott grips the club with his arm at his side and the clubface perpendicular to his target line.

You're reading and consequently trying to convince of something that's just not there. You're reading too much into… whatever.

[collapse]

I am expressing what I think the foundation of the golf swing is....if that is trolling then so be it. 

[iacas]

1 minute ago, collapse said:

I am expressing what I think the foundation of the golf swing is....if that is trolling then so be it. 

And people are refuting it, and you're ignoring the posts and just keep posting cryptic, no-sense stuff. In one sentence, what are you saying? "Taking a proper grip is the foundation of the golf swing?" Something else? Say it, in plain English.

[collapse]

1 minute ago, iacas said:

And people are refuting it, and you're ignoring the posts and just keep posting cryptic, no-sense stuff. In one sentence, what are you saying? "Taking a proper grip is the foundation of the golf swing?" Something else? Say it, in plain English.

People are expressing their opinion,it does not mean I am wrong.The one poster again posts an obvious baiting comment like holding  the golf club in the teeth.

[iacas]

5 minutes ago, collapse said:

People are expressing their opinion,it does not mean I am wrong.The one poster again posts an obvious baiting comment like holding  the golf club in the teeth.

It's not baiting. It's expressing the fact that Justin just happened to be holding the club that way when the freeze frame was captured. I took a freeze from this video:

It looks like this:

Answer the question: In one sentence, what are you saying? Plain English. No redefined terms.

To this point, you have a photo of a guy (without being able to see the clubface, which I'm virtually guaranteeing is wide open), and a freeze frame from a video of Justin Rose.

That doesn't count as a solid foundation upon which to build a concept you're pitching as "fundamental."

[collapse]

5 minutes ago, iacas said:

It's not baiting. It's expressing the fact that Justin just happened to be holding the club that way when the freeze frame was captured. I took a freeze from this video:

It looks like this:

Answer the question: In one sentence, what are you saying? Plain English. No redefined terms.

Odd you should pick this video...what is AS doing here if not setting the wrist and forearm.....that is my answer.

[iacas]

1 minute ago, collapse said:

Odd you should pick this video...what is AS doing here if not setting the wrist and forearm.....that is my answer.

That's not an answer.

All he's illustrating is how the club sits in his hands - with an angle between the left forearm and the club's shaft.

[collapse]

4 minutes ago, iacas said:

That's not an answer.

All he's illustrating is how the club sits in his hands - with an angle between the left forearm and the club's shaft.

Right, and what he is illustrating is another way of saying what I have been saying.

[iacas]

Just now, collapse said:

Right, and what he is illustrating is another way of saying what I have been saying.

I call fibbies on that one. You have not even shown a down-the-line image yet.

So again, I'll ask you: in one sentence, explain what this thread is about in plain English and without redefining basic words. You have yet to do this.

Additionally, we have threads on "how to grip the club." Like this one:

[DrvFrShow]

@collapse 

If they tried to swing at the ball with their arms in those positions, the ball would slice off to the right. If you're an 8.3 handicapper you know this. 

I think another thing you're doing is confusing a 3D swing with the 2D image in a video. Let's put this to bed....

Lexi's left hand is essentially in the hand-shake position when taking her grip.

Edited December 7, 2015 by DrvFrShow

[mvmac]

3 hours ago, collapse said:

Right, and what he is illustrating is another way of saying what I have been saying.

You haven't said anything coherent in this entire thread. You haven't verbalized what you think the fundamental of golf is. It's almost like you're being cryptic as a way to make yourself seem more knowledgeable on the golf swing than you actually are.

6 hours ago, Dave325 said:

For example, Key #3 and the change from flat lead wrist to inline impact.

Kinda OT but the change was just the name, not the definition of Key #3.

[Dave325]

7 hours ago, mvmac said:

Kinda OT but the change was just the name, not the definition of Key #3.

Sorry, I didnt communicate that clearly. We are talking about making the natural grip which might not fit the contact. I remember my swing coach this past summer working with me about this as keeping a flat wrist at the top of the backswing... and then at impact. So, it seems to mee that a natural grip at setup (strong or neutral) gets morphed into something different at the top of swing (is this really unnatural or just different?) and this is the launch point for the downswing. I completely agree with Erik in saying that you can't plan on making small adjustments on the downswing since it happens so quickly. My apologies if I missed the point of the topic somehow... and I am completely open to learn where I am wrong or off-base. 

[collapse]

Once the swing begins it's on auto pilot....There are so many golf  quotes to found,but one of Hogan's when asked about what he sees during impact was something to the effect-nothing, it's all just a blur.

[iacas]

18 minutes ago, collapse said:

Once the swing begins it's on auto pilot....There are so many golf  quotes to found,but one of Hogan's when asked about what he sees during impact was something to the effect-nothing, it's all just a blur.

No, I disagree. There's a lot you can consciously do right up until about A5 that changes the swing you're making.

[Phil McGleno]

19 minutes ago, collapse said:

Once the swing begins it's on auto pilot....There are so many golf  quotes to found,but one of Hogan's when asked about what he sees during impact was something to the effect-nothing, it's all just a blur.

Time to fess up man-You are really just @mythbuster right?

Here you are talking about the grip and in the same kind of language and now the swing is automatic after the setup?-My spidey senses are tingling.

[collapse]

11 minutes ago, Phil McGleno said:

Time to fess up man-You are really just @mythbuster right?

Here you are talking about the grip and in the same kind of language and now the swing is automatic after the setup?-My spidey senses are tingling.

Phil Mc....too much focus on me and not golf makes for dull postings...cheers

[iacas]

38 minutes ago, collapse said:

Phil Mc....too much focus on me and not golf makes for dull postings...cheers

Then answer the question I've asked two or three (at least?) times.

[mvmac]

1 hour ago, collapse said:

Once the swing begins it's on auto pilot....There are so many golf  quotes to found,but one of Hogan's when asked about what he sees during impact was something to the effect-nothing, it's all just a blur.

Hogan would disagree with your auto pilot comment, he actually had swing thoughts and worked on changing the picture.

Also, how does what you just posted answer anyone's question?