Presidential Race 2016

[rkim291968]

Where's Kasich in the poll?   He is still running.   I am voting for him.

[pumaAttack]

Why isn't Kasich doing better in the polls and primaries?!

[rkim291968]

.... b/c GOP sentiment against so called establishment is so high, IMO.

[Gunther]

1 minute ago, pumaAttack said:

Why isn't Kasich doing better in the polls and primaries?!

Well, about 9 liberals here alone said they'd vote for him, if that gives you any idea.

[pumaAttack]

1 minute ago, Gunther said:

Well, about 9 liberals here alone said they'd vote for him, if that gives you any idea.

No, I would love to hear a Right Winger tell me why his POLICIES are bad.

[Braivo]

Trump making a deal behind closed doors. Cruz will admit to an affair with Amanda Carpenter soon and drop out of the race, giving Trump the nod. 

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Donald Trump met Thursday with Republican National CommitteeChairman Reince Priebus at the party headquarters in Washington.

 

1 hour ago, iacas said:

Who do the rest of you plan to vote for? If you're anti-Trump (fine, whatever), who are you voting for? "Not Trump" isn't really an answer.

I don't know enough about politics to have much to say one way or the other about anyone, really, but I'll close the thread down and NOT start another if this thread turns into the same thing as the old one.

I will state again in this thread that I am a committed Trump supporter. I voted Trump above and I am glad to discuss my opinions in this thread. It does get tiring arguing with folks who are in the "anyone but Trump" crowd. I hear it every day online and in my daily life. 

People ask why I support Trump and I tell them this: Europe has been flooded with immigrants and Europeans can no longer walk the streets of their cities safely. They are being made to change their lives to protect themselves from immigrants. That's the daily stuff that happens on top of things like the Paris and Brussels attacks. I do not wish for my children to grow up in such a situation, I do not want the United States to follow that same path that Europe has. I will stand firm that that single issue is more important than all others, even the crudeness of the messenger. 

[pumaAttack]

2 minutes ago, Braivo said:

Trump making a deal behind closed doors. Cruz will admit to an affair with Amanda Carpenter soon and drop out of the race, giving Trump the nod. 

 

I will state again in this thread that I am a committed Trump supporter. I voted Trump above and I am glad to discuss my opinions in this thread. It does get tiring arguing with folks who are in the "anyone but Trump" crowd. I hear it every day online and in my daily life. 

People ask why I support Trump and I tell them this: Europe has been flooded with immigrants and Europeans can no longer walk the streets of their cities safely. They are being made to change their lives to protect themselves from immigrants. That's the daily stuff that happens on top of things like the Paris and Brussels attacks. I do not wish for my children to grow up in such a situation, I do not want the United States to follow that same path that Europe has. I will stand firm that that single issue is more important than all others, even the crudeness of the messenger. 

 

So it is your belief that all immigrants are bad?

[Braivo]

4 minutes ago, pumaAttack said:

 

So it is your belief that all immigrants are bad?

It is my belief that allowing your country to be overrun by aggressive, able-bodied, military age men is wrong. It amounts to an invasion by invitation. 

We know that ISIS has infiltrated Euro countries by posing as immigrants. Even if 1% of them are bad it is reason enough to close the borders to those coming from those countries. 

Saudi Arabia and other rich, Muslim nations sit much closer and could easily help if there was a real need for these people flee. 

[Jeremie Boop]

18 minutes ago, rkim291968 said:

Where's Kasich in the poll?   He is still running.   I am voting for him.

I believe Erik mentioned that he only listed the 4 people who have a legitimate chance of getting the nomination for the general election. Kasich has next to no chance of getting in the GE so he was not listed as an option in the poll.

If he were able to get into the GE, he's probably the most likely to get me to vote. The four we have to choose from, though, no thanks. There's not a chance in hell that I'd vote for Clinton or Sanders and I just can't get behind Trump or Cruz. It's a sad state of affairs.

[Fourputt]

Tightly controlled immigration is a modern necessity.  Many countries don't allow any immigration at all unless you have a critically needed profession.  Very few of the current US immigration applicants (and none of the illegals already here) would even come close to meeting that sort of criteria.  If controlling the wrong types from entering the US necessitates ethnic profiling, even on a temporary basis, then so be it.  

I'll back anyone who includes strong immigration restrictions in their platform.  The US is not the wide open spaces that it once was when unlimited immigration was encouraged and sought after.  We can no longer afford to openly provide our form of liberty to anyone who asks.  We lack the space, the natural resources and the jobs for it.  That is simply a fact in this world of 7.4 billion people.

[Elmer]

 

4 hours ago, Golfingdad said:

As POTUS he can't just fire people who disagree with them or call them names. 

 

4 hours ago, Golfingdad said:

Good post.  Well said.

And yet I get the strong impression that this is EXACTLY what he thinks he can do (first half) and what he will do (second half). 

 

3 hours ago, Lihu said:

That's exactly why both parties are afraid of him. Refreshing.

My hope is that government workers will be responsible for their actions, and treated accordingly. They are currently "untouchable" no matter how badly they screw up or treat citizens.

Trump will have a difficult time when he starts trying to randomly fire a lowly clerk in the VA or cleaning house in some agency on a whim.
This will open him up to lawsuits.
And this is not the reason the parties are afraid of him. The know he is a clueless bull in a china shop. 
Govt workers are not afraid of Trump because they think he will make them work more. They are afraid because he is going to try and fire them and outsource their jobs or replace them with Trump hired H1-B1's. All wrapped up and sold as a "Trump cutting waste and increasing Govt Efficiency plan"!

As to who I would vote for, probably Bernie.
If it comes down to Clinton vs Republican. Than Clinton.
Bible thumping republicans have always been too quick to think this is a "christian" country and place non jebus lovers on the outside looking in.

 

[saevel25]

1 minute ago, Fourputt said:

Tightly controlled immigration is a modern necessity.  Many countries don't allow any immigration at all unless you have a critically needed profession.  Very few of the current US immigration applicants (and none of the illegals already here) would even come close to meeting that sort of criteria.  If controlling the wrong types from entering the US necessitates ethnic profiling, even on a temporary basis, then so be it.  

I'm all for stronger immigration reform. I am not for building a wall that will just become a sinking ship you need to chuck money into to keep up, that might not even adequately serve it's purpose. 

[Lihu]

4 minutes ago, Fourputt said:

Tightly controlled immigration is a modern necessity.  Many countries don't allow any immigration at all unless you have a critically needed profession.  Very few of the current US immigration applicants (and none of the illegals already here) would even come close to meeting that sort of criteria.  If controlling the wrong types from entering the US necessitates ethnic profiling, even on a temporary basis, then so be it.  

I'll back anyone who includes strong immigration restrictions in their platform.  The US is not the wide open spaces that it once was when unlimited immigration was encouraged and sought after.  We can no longer afford to openly provide our form of liberty to anyone who asks.  We lack the space, the natural resources and the jobs for it.  That is simply a fact in this world of 7.4 billion people.

The issue isn't accepting more people who want freedom, the problem is people coming over here for freedom then killing or hurting other citizens with that new found freedom.

[pumaAttack]

1 minute ago, Lihu said:

The issue isn't accepting more people who want freedom, the problem is people coming over here for freedom then killing or hurting other citizens with that new found freedom.

You realize the amount of "terrorism" especially form immigrants is FAR FAR FAR below that of domestic gun violence.  Violence from gangs, mental health issues, disputes, etc.

It's not even close.  Yet we are more concerned with immigrants than fixing our own domestic issues...

[Braivo]

4 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

I'm all for stronger immigration reform. I am not for building a wall that will just become a sinking ship you need to chuck money into to keep up, that might not even adequately serve it's purpose. 

Fences work. 

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The new border fences, which closed off Hungary from Serbia in September and continued around the border, finally cutting the country off from unwanted incursions from Croatia earlier this month have been so successful the number of illegal migrants has dropped off the charts.

 

[Golfingdad]

7 hours ago, newtogolf said:

As POTUS he can't just fire people who disagree with them or call them names. 

@Elmer, I think you goofed on your quotes.  Not that I don't agree fully with the statement you attributed to me, because I do, but I didn't say it ... @newtogolf did. 

[Braivo]

Just now, pumaAttack said:

Yet we are more concerned with immigrants than fixing our own domestic issues...

Domestic issues do not destabilize the safety and security of our nation. Allowing the enemy into our country does. 

We can build a wall and halt immigration. We can't stop inner-city folks from killing each other, but we can stay out of the inner-city. 

[pumaAttack]

1 minute ago, Braivo said:

Domestic issues do not destabilize the safety and security of our nation. Allowing the enemy into our country does. 

We can build a wall and halt immigration. We can't stop inner-city folks from killing each other, but we can stay out of the inner-city. 

So so backwards...   

You are afraid of .00000000001% of a problem yet blissfully ignore the other 99%.  All in the name of keeping your family safe...