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@Abu3baid, how is the quality of contact? You hitting the ball pretty solidly and consistently?

The reason I ask is because I'm wondering why you can't just play the push. +4° path with +6° face should be a pretty small curve, you should be able to aim more left and let the ball fall right?

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TAKE THIS WITH GIANT GRAIN OF SALT AS I WAS A 25+ INDEX LESS THAN 12 MONTHS AGO:

This may not be your issue, but it is my miss, so maybe could be contributing?  I have a similar path, and when I am hitting push fades my face is open because I am blocked out by my body.  If I speed up my arms just slightly and keep my arms in front of my body just a bit, I can close the face properly(too fast and its hook city) without thinking too much about it.

I found a thread on here somewhere where one of the instructors was talking about letting the left arm come off the chest a bit and not stay so pinned. At top of back swing, inside left arm is above left nipple, then on left nipple, then below.  Mine was pinned high and I never let it drop, hence the body getting in the way and my face being stuck open.

Might be worth a look and if not, just disregard. :-)

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5 hours ago, colin007 said:

Prolly a stupid question, but just wanting to double check - the motorcycle "revving" feel is the left hand bending towards the inside of the wrist (where you take your pulse) and not backwards?

AKA 'bowing' and 'palmar flexion' (for lead wrist)

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9 hours ago, Patch said:

I could never see "degrees", and worked with 1/4, 1/8, or 1/16 inch increments. I once saw a training club marked like that. A square face  to the target line was "0". On either side of the "0" were marks in 1/8 increments, around the shaft for adjustment reference points. The golfer simply turned the club grip in their hands, then regripped to find a club face position that worked better with their correct grip, and swng path. 

The thought was that not everyones' grip returned the club face, the same,  back to what it was address. An individual should expiriment to find their own correct club face position at address. 

Exactly.

 

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22 hours ago, 14ledo81 said:

The revving the motorcycle feel has worked well for me in the past.

This.

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6 hours ago, billchao said:

@Abu3baid, how is the quality of contact? You hitting the ball pretty solidly and consistently?

The reason I ask is because I'm wondering why you can't just play the push. +4° path with +6° face should be a pretty small curve, you should be able to aim more left and let the ball fall right?

The quality is actually pretty good, and you are right I may have to play what ever I can when I go to the course.  

I am just following the advice of Joe which is to do what I can practicing to get the face closed to the path, but when playing do what ever I need to in order to score.

Thanks everyone for your replies.  I think the one thing I will try and work on will be sticking the stick into the ground about 10 feet ahead and 5 yards to the right and try and get the ball starting over it and see where that takes me.. 

I will try and post a vid of me practicing in my swing thread..

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15 minutes ago, Abu3baid said:

I am just following the advice of Joe which is to do what I can practicing to get the face closed to the path, but when playing do what ever I need to in order to score.

That's a good call. My question was partially academic. Part of me always wondered why we obsess over draws.  

A 2° relationship between your face and path is pretty good and I imagine the flight is nice. That's why I was wondering why you couldn't just shift your aim a bit and play a fade instead of learning to draw, but that's really just taking the face and path numbers in a vacuum and not considering factors like other parts of your swing that may need to be worked on.

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23 hours ago, Abu3baid said:

about 10 feet ahead and 5 yards to the right and try and get the ball starting over it and see where that takes me

Uhhh… way the heck right. :-)

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On 7/5/2016 at 1:17 AM, Patch said:

Not so much a drill, as it is a tweaking of the grip. Getting a decent swing path is easier than getting the correct grip/club face angle combination. 

I was taught to keep my same club path, and grip. The adjustment was closing the club face just a little at address. This compensated for where my hands were actually returning at impact, which was leaving the club face a little open. Not sure it would work for others, but you never know. 

Interesting! It can happen the other way around as well. A few years ago I was at the local golf dome hitting balls off a mat. Not ideal but, when it's February and there's a foot and a half of snow on the ground, it's the only game in town. I picked out a target square to the mat I was on, you have to have a target, right?, and started swinging. Everything went right!

Then I noticed that the mat material, the carpet, was laid out in tiny rows that were square to the target line I was using. And when I put my club down behind the ball, my clubface was open to the target line! When I squared it up, it appeared to be closed. But after hitting a bunch of balls with the new clubhead alignment right where I wanted to, I decided that I was wrong and needed to learn to square the clubface again at address.

I suppose this is an iteration of the classic, "There's what you feel, and what is real". But this is about how things look or appear. So, I'm thinking we need a new phrase to describe this phenomenon. Maybe, "There's how it looks, and how it cooks!"

Meh, it's a work in progress.

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8 hours ago, iacas said:

Uhhh… way the heck right. :-)

LOL... Wow..

What the hell is wrong with me?  Why would I want to put it 10 feet ahead and 15 feet to the right?  

I would like to revise that.. How about 10 feet ahead and 5 feet to the right and try to start inside of it.  :)

it must have been the jet lag.

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16 minutes ago, Abu3baid said:

LOL... Wow..

What the hell is wrong with me?  Why would I want to put it 10 feet ahead and 15 feet to the right?  

I would like to revise that.. How about 10 feet ahead and 5 feet to the right and try to start inside of it.  :)

it must have been the jet lag.

Ha ha. Yeah, that would be more reasonable. Unless you're working on your shanks. ;-) 

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2 hours ago, Abu3baid said:

LOL... Wow..

What the hell is wrong with me?  Why would I want to put it 10 feet ahead and 15 feet to the right?  

I would like to revise that.. How about 10 feet ahead and 5 feet to the right and try to start inside of it.  :)

it must have been the jet lag.

There you go!! ;-)

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