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4 hours ago, newtogolf said:

The way I heard it, his mom was the first to report the incident to the media and Lochte was then put in the spot of confirming it and he foolishly did.  

Now that the entire story is out, I think the media completely over reacted along with his sponsors.  Was he wrong, yes, but the fabrication was slight and not worthy of losing sponsors over.  He was stupid and damaged a gas station door.  A security guard with a gun did hold him at gun point until he made acceptable reparations for the door.  

The fabrication was they were pulled over by a person with a badge and robbed, the reality is he was held at gunpoint by a security guard who demanded money to repair the door.  

I don't know about you guys but when someone is holding a gun on me, preventing me from leaving and demanding money from me, we're not negotiating, I am getting robbed.  

Lochte is a dumb ass for getting drunk and rowdy in public, lying to his mother and not ensuring she kept her mouth shut.  If stupid were a crime, half the country would be in jail.  For the IOC to sanction him and his sponsors to drop him given what we know seems like overkill to me.  

I'm sure there was some miscommunication. He probably told his mom one thing then his mom didn't relay it exactly to the media, then he confirmed a different story from the one he remembered when he was falling down drunk.

It's a mess, and I don't think he should have lost all those sponsors if he really was held at gun point while being "asked" for money. In this country, and in most countries, the security guard should have just held him there until the police came to settle the situation.

No one really knows what happened at this point and I'm sure the Brazilian officials don't want this sort of thing sticking into the memories of this Olympics.

He wasn't the only one lacking judgement.

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37 minutes ago, Lihu said:

It's a mess, and I don't think he should have lost all those sponsors if he really was held at gun point while being "asked" for money.

Of all of the repercussions, loss of sponsorships is the one thing I think is perfectly justified.  Who among us wants our image to depend on the words of a fully grown adult man (when you're over 30 you can't call it a youthful mistake) who gets stupid drunk, vandalizes property, and lies to the press, the police, and his mother about the whole ordeal.  I'm sure there are lots of stupid people who have sponsorship deals, but once their stupidity is made public, they're out of that job.

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14 hours ago, Rainmaker said:

Then Brazil gets all upset about being cast in a bad light - so they nab the 2 remaining Americans and demand 11,000 *donation* from one of them to let him leave.  Where's this 11,000 come from?  It was apparently $50 dollars in damage that was already paid for.  If it's the "National Honor of Brazil" - surely 11,000 isn't enough.  It's almost like they said "what do you have in your pocket"?

Donation in lieu of a trial in a foreign country (double the lawyers) and likely fine on top of that added expense and negative publicity. A bargain if you ask me.

13 hours ago, gregsandiego said:

He didn't just tell his Mom. He went on to tell the story to NBC. He wasn't smart enough to think it through.

And he embellished it for the 'drama'! 'Gun to the head', etc..

6 hours ago, newtogolf said:

I don't know about you guys but when someone is holding a gun on me, preventing me from leaving and demanding money from me, we're not negotiating, I am getting robbed. 

If he didn't pay for the damages, I expect the armed security would have been content to hold them there until the police showed. If Lochte felt his rights were violated he should have waited for them too, but seems that he was trying to duck that knowing he was in the wrong. Given the street crime issues and police funding issues in Brazil, I expect this sort of procedure by the security guards is commonplace.

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4 hours ago, DaveP043 said:

I'm sure there are lots of stupid people who have sponsorship deals, but once their stupidity is made public, they're out of that job.

I agree with this. The sponsors support a certain image of an athlete. Whether they are really like that behind the scenes matters less to them than being able to sell the image, but once the image is shattered, the public forms a different opinion of the athlete and it is up to the sponsors to decide if they want to support that.

Not unlike Tiger when his adultery was made public. He lost a lot of sponsors who no longer wanted to be associated with Tiger the adulterer.

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5 hours ago, DaveP043 said:

Of all of the repercussions, loss of sponsorships is the one thing I think is perfectly justified.  Who among us wants our image to depend on the words of a fully grown adult man (when you're over 30 you can't call it a youthful mistake) who gets stupid drunk, vandalizes property, and lies to the press, the police, and his mother about the whole ordeal.  I'm sure there are lots of stupid people who have sponsorship deals, but once their stupidity is made public, they're out of that job.

 

29 minutes ago, billchao said:

I agree with this. The sponsors support a certain image of an athlete. Whether they are really like that behind the scenes matters less to them than being able to sell the image, but once the image is shattered, the public forms a different opinion of the athlete and it is up to the sponsors to decide if they want to support that.

Not unlike Tiger when his adultery was made public. He lost a lot of sponsors who no longer wanted to be associated with Tiger the adulterer.

I rarely see any straight dudes wearing speedos outside of high school or college, maybe the "bad boy who was mugged" is just the thing to boost their "image". :-D

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12 hours ago, newtogolf said:

The way I heard it, his mom was the first to report the incident to the media and Lochte was then put in the spot of confirming it and he foolishly did.  

Now that the entire story is out, I think the media completely over reacted along with his sponsors.  Was he wrong, yes, but the fabrication was slight and not worthy of losing sponsors over.  He was stupid and damaged a gas station door.  A security guard with a gun did hold him at gun point until he made acceptable reparations for the door.  

The fabrication was they were pulled over by a person with a badge and robbed, the reality is he was held at gunpoint by a security guard who demanded money to repair the door.  

I don't know about you guys but when someone is holding a gun on me, preventing me from leaving and demanding money from me, we're not negotiating, I am getting robbed.  

Lochte is a dumb ass for getting drunk and rowdy in public, lying to his mother and not ensuring she kept her mouth shut.  If stupid were a crime, half the country would be in jail.  For the IOC to sanction him and his sponsors to drop him given what we know seems like overkill to me.  

Sponsors don't really "over react'. They decide to spend personal money or not based on
what they perceive as a a negative representation. It's much different then the press. 

Let's face it. The first time yo see Lochte in an add for Speedo's what would you be thinking?

 

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1 hour ago, gregsandiego said:

Let's face it. The first time yo see Lochte in an add for Speedo's what would you be thinking?

Doofus!

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1 hour ago, gregsandiego said:

Sponsors don't really "over react'. They decide to spend personal money or not based on
what they perceive as a a negative representation. It's much different then the press. 

Let's face it. The first time yo see Lochte in an add for Speedo's what would you be thinking?

 

Everyone over reacts, including sponsors.  The media made this a lot worse than it was imo.  I support the sponsors decision to cancel the contract but when you look at what others athletes have done, this is as much of a non-story as you can get.  If he told his mother the truth I doubt we'd even know it happened.  

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6 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

Everyone over reacts, including sponsors.  The media made this a lot worse than it was imo.  I support the sponsors decision to cancel the contract but when you look at what others athletes have done, this is as much of a non-story as you can get.  If he told his mother the truth I doubt we'd even know it happened.  

I disagree. For a day or so he compounded the image that Brazil was a completely lawless country totally unsafe for the Olympics. His reckless comments tarnished the reputation of the host country. It's like getting up at a wedding and saying someone stole your wallet - kind of kills the mood.

20 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

Doofus!

I rest my case.

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59 minutes ago, gregsandiego said:

I disagree. For a day or so he compounded the image that Brazil was a completely lawless country totally unsafe for the Olympics. His reckless comments tarnished the reputation of the host country. It's like getting up at a wedding and saying someone stole your wallet - kind of kills the mood.

I rest my case.

Rio earned the reputation, what was less publicized than Lochte were the number of people robbed, including athletes and officials.

http://www.thenational.ae/world/at-the-rio-olympics-brazilians-lead-the-field-in-crime

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36 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

Rio earned the reputation, what was less publicized than Lochte were the number of people robbed, including athletes and officials.

http://www.thenational.ae/world/at-the-rio-olympics-brazilians-lead-the-field-in-crime

BINGO! Yes Lochte and his buds did some stupid stuff. They got drunk, they peed in the bushes (or on the wall), and Lochte ripped an advertising sign off the wall! And this makes them ripe for an armed robbery?

Good God almighty! The PC gift for rationalization on this forum astounds me! Weapons were brandished and money was demanded. That sure sounds like armed robbery to me! Yeah, the money went to the store owner! Please! The "security guards" were off duty Brazilian prison guards moonlighting for some extra money. Well, they sure made some extra money that night!

BTW, what kind of gas station needs security guards? None where I live.

Plus, the Brazilian authorities extorted nearly another 11 grand out of the last guy to return his passport to him and allow him to leave the country. This money is supposed to go to a Brazilian "charity". How much you wanna bet that this "charity" includes the judge's wallet and a couple of his buddies.

Jesus, people! Wake up already!

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8 hours ago, Buckeyebowman said:

BINGO! Yes Lochte and his buds did some stupid stuff. They got drunk, they peed in the bushes (or on the wall), and Lochte ripped an advertising sign off the wall! And this makes them ripe for an armed robbery?

Good God almighty! The PC gift for rationalization on this forum astounds me! Weapons were brandished and money was demanded. That sure sounds like armed robbery to me! Yeah, the money went to the store owner! Please! The "security guards" were off duty Brazilian prison guards moonlighting for some extra money. Well, they sure made some extra money that night!

BTW, what kind of gas station needs security guards? None where I live.

Plus, the Brazilian authorities extorted nearly another 11 grand out of the last guy to return his passport to him and allow him to leave the country. This money is supposed to go to a Brazilian "charity". How much you wanna bet that this "charity" includes the judge's wallet and a couple of his buddies.

Jesus, people! Wake up already!

BTW, I'm pretty PC, but this definitely sounds like armed robbery to me. I guess people are just being sensitive to Brazilian customs. . .

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13 hours ago, Buckeyebowman said:

BTW, what kind of gas station needs security guards? None where I live.

U.S. has far more police per capita than Brazil, and they're better funded too. I expect Brazil is somewhere between our old 'wild west' and our current policing level. Very grateful to live in the U.S.!

13 hours ago, Buckeyebowman said:

Plus, the Brazilian authorities extorted nearly another 11 grand out of the last guy to return his passport to him and allow him to leave the country. This money is supposed to go to a Brazilian "charity". How much you wanna bet that this "charity" includes the judge's wallet and a couple of his buddies.

Donation in lieu of a fine is part of their legal system. Probably to allow leniency on the well-connected or avoid costly / time-consuming trials against defendants with deep pockets. It's not irrational (though not desirable) if the authorities are already overwhelmed with high levels of violent street crime. We have some double-standard in the U.S. too with fines in lieu of trial / lighter sentences against with white collar / non-violent crimes and 'country club' prisons. Remember the 'affluence' defense for the homicidal drunk driver?

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On August 23, 2016 at 0:18 PM, billchao said:

I don't know the law in Rio but I know that in the US, you can lawfully "detain" someone at gunpoint ;-)

The man did damage to their property afterall, they are entitled to reparations.

They fabricated a story that caused the authorities to get involved to investigate it, knowing fully that it didn't happen and had ample opportunities to recant. It's not so much about the honor of Brazil as much as fines forsending the authorities on a wild goose chase IMO.

I disagree. If neither the IOC nor his sponsors condone that kind of childish behavior, they are perfectly within their rights to do so. In fact I'd argue by not punishing him, you're sending the wrong message by saying it is ok to be an idiot outside of the sport.

Kids look up to these athletes; whether they want to be or not, they are role models and need to conduct themselves in an appropriate manner.

I don't know the law in Rio, either, but you can not hold somebody at gunpoint until they give you money in the U.S. 

Lets say I did some damage to a gas station here. The owner can detain me until police come (probably) - but he can not point a gun at me and demand cash in order for him to take the gun off me and let me leave. 

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On 8/25/2016 at 1:12 AM, Rainmaker said:

I don't know the law in Rio, either, but you can not hold somebody at gunpoint until they give you money in the U.S. 

Lets say I did some damage to a gas station here. The owner can detain me until police come (probably) - but he can not point a gun at me and demand cash in order for him to take the gun off me and let me leave. 

It might not have been the security guards who suggested paying for the damages. He gave them ~ $50 cash. He wasn't 'shaken down', taken to an ATM, relieved of watch, electronics, etc.

In the U.S. there is such a thing as a citizen's arrest. It's possible that in Rio some licensed private security guards may be deputized in some way with partial powers to detain for arrest.

Every time Lochte's lawyer responds to a media inquiry with 'no comment' it's billable time. If they decide to answer the charges with local representation the money bleed will accelerate. I'm positive paying the donation in lieu of fine in the short term like his teammate did would have been less costly. It would have been even less costly ~ $50 if he had kept his trap shut in the media having already narrowly avoided an official 'on the books' detention / arrest / fine.

http://www.people.com/article/ryan-locht-summoned-brazil

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48 minutes ago, natureboy said:

It might not have been the security guards who suggested paying for the damages. He gave them ~ $50 cash. He wasn't 'shaken down', taken to an ATM, relieved of watch, electronics, etc.

In the U.S. there is such a thing as a citizen's arrest. It's possible that in Rio some licensed private security guards may be deputized in some way with partial powers to detain for arrest.

Every time Lochte's lawyer responds to a media inquiry with 'no comment' it's billable time. If they decide to answer the charges with local representation the money bleed will accelerate. I'm positive paying the donation in lieu of fine in the short term like his teammate did would have been less costly. It would have been even less costly ~ $50 if he had kept his trap shut in the media having already narrowly avoided an official 'on the books' detention / arrest / fine.

http://www.people.com/article/ryan-locht-summoned-brazil

Brazil will take money from any source they can and Lochte is going to have to "pay" Brazil to clear his name.  The government is offended that Lochte tarnished the name of Brazil but meanwhile this was happening all over Rio.

 

 

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3 hours ago, newtogolf said:

Brazil will take money from any source they can and Lochte is going to have to "pay" Brazil to clear his name.  The government is offended that Lochte tarnished the name of Brazil but meanwhile this was happening all over Rio.

 

 

These are pretty brazen pickpockets. Most people seemed to behave as if it were a part of life there. I wonder if that one victim with the pistol was a cop? :-D

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22 hours ago, newtogolf said:

Brazil will take money from any source they can and Lochte is going to have to "pay" Brazil to clear his name.  The government is offended that Lochte tarnished the name of Brazil but meanwhile this was happening all over Rio.

I'm certainly glad I don't have to deal with that level of street crime. It's a real problem. Rio / Brazil clearly has some structural issues.

That said, I can empathize with authorities who take their jobs seriously that they don't want people wasting their time with cock and bull stories embellished for self-serving drama in international media, especially if they think their 'prominence' makes them immune. Tourism is an important industry / income source for Rio, but I haven't seen Brazilian authorities critiquing or poo-pooing any Olympians who were victims of actual robberies.

There's probably also a little bit of playing to local opinion in the response from Rio authorities to Lochte.

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